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InevitableSwing [none/use name]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 days ago

The impulse is emotional. Abolish ICE is simple. But politically, it is lethal.

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The impulse is emotional. Abolish ICE is simple. But politically, it is lethal.

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InevitableSwing [none/use name]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 days ago
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  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]@hexbear.net
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    “We must protect the outcomes of the George W Bush administration”

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    i hate how for liberals, pushing back against fascists is always “exactly what they want don’t do it”

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      Not a single drop of fight in them. Useless.

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        Liberal resistance to fascism:

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          there’s a dang CHEETO in the LATCHING MECHANISM

      • chgxvjh [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        Plenty of fight against the people/working class

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    “abolish ice” is the compromise position

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      I know the hexbear take on this, but we need to pitch liberals on “prosecute ICE or fuck off (after it is abolished)”

      Needs a bit of workshopping to get it to fit on a bumper sticker, but in order for your comment to be true, there needs to be a quantity of people beyond that. The more extreme positions are certainly out there, but they won’t carry the numbers alone.

      • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        something something nuremburg 2

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          Let’s get it well rooted as the center-left position.

          Let’s also take a moment to point out that the Biden administration did nothing to prevent this, even after “abolish ice” and “kids in cages” were loudly shouted back in 2018.

          • spudnik [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            social-democracy etc etc

      • Spike [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Shoot them all and let God sort them out

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    GTA: Vice City is a full year older than the formation of ICE. The Nintendo GameCube predates both ICE and the DHS. Liberals act like our nazi agencies are these eternal pillars of American society and yet have barely existed a few decades.

    Yes I date things according to video games get off my case

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      Honestly, there is something to that, make people realize how much stuff has been around longer than ICE and the DHS.

      Like, Ric Flair’s whole wrestling career went on for longer than they’ve been around.

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      The US also wasn’t founded with police. They didn’t exist until much, much later. People look at you like you’re a talking horse if you try and bring this up.

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    What bothers me about this isn’t Third Way adopting a weaselly triangulation that appeals to no one. That’s a “fork found in kitchen” situation.

    No, it’s this:

    Third Way, in a memo to Democrats shared first with NBCNews

    Putting the thinnest, slimiest veneer of journalism on what is just PR boosting. There’s no news here, nothing of importance, just some lanyards’ opinion being laundered as news; the headline doesn’t identify who is warning, giving the impression of this being a general sentiment, and the body fails to make clear the political bias of the group in question.

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      chomsky-yes-honey parenti

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    Reactionary reformism, you love to see it.

    “We can’t get rid of the president’s private unaccountable personal army, that would negate the political incentive to make it slightly better”

    Utter derangement

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      Centrist_rally_'Better_things_aren't_possible!'.gif

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        What if instead of better things, we do worse things but pretend they’re better than they would have been without our heroism and leadership.

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    Isn’t “third way” a euphemism for fascism??? Kinda telling on themselves

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    I agree

    The slogan should be “imprison ICE”

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      redacted-1redacted-2 ICE

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        Line up against the wall please Mr. iceman.

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    Throw these people off the fucking rooftops please I’m done reading this shit

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    Why the fuck would they call themselves third way? Thats the name of a Nazi party where I live. Couldnt get more subtle than that, huh?

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      “Researchers” at the progressive Project 1488 think tank-

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    Politically, it is lethal

    GOOD stalin-gun-1 stalin-gun-2

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    When Biden took over, the concentration camps became holding facilities. What will these thugs become when the next blue fucker comes along?

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    Anyone could win a primary at this point by going up the stage and saying “Fuck ICE and Fuck Israel” and simply leaving, at this point your throwing if this isn’t your starter position

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    Abolish ICE is a pretty mainstream liberal opinion, or at least it is now for the libs in e.g. the Twin Cities who have seen ICE goons doing all sorts of heinous shit over the last few weeks

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    Wait. If this is the case, then wouldn’t the two political parties behave like a ratcheting system? The Republicans push it forward and the Democrats prevent backflow? Has anyone ever noticed this? Perhaps someone has said something before the 2020 election or whatever? 2024 election? Please! I’m a serious adult political party that pays millions and millions of dollars for insights for political campaigns.

    Don’t bother telling me if you didn’t go to Harvard or USC or something though

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