I really do not understand his infatuation with Greenland.
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They should have said the military buildup targets China. That would make it extra clear.
It looks big on map
I like the ‘after centuries’ part. How long does Trump think NATO has been around for?
Turns out Trump has been living weeks where decades happen his whole life.
Is there anything more fitting than Europe and America tearing themselves apart over nothing. They ruled the world for a couple centuries and made everyone miserable but now they just burnout fighting themselves. It’s like a fucking Stephen King novel ending or something.
Anyways, keep doing nothing and winning Xi.
They already did it in 1914! And then again in 1939!
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Territorial expansion beyond just in name.
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He’s a part of an evil eyes wide shut family descended from vikings that still uses ritual human sacrifice behind the curtain.
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The reason it is happening exists on a higher level.
They know they don’t need it for defence. They know they already control it. They know they already have access to the resources there.
My take is that the nazis behind Trump want Greenland because they’re trying to roll back culture and mindsets in the west to colonial mentality, they don’t want to take it by force, they actually would prefer it was sold because the idea of a country selling the 50,000 human beings that live there to the US is a huge step backwards. If it was accepted it would push the entire west back into normalisation of colonial behaviour, it is a milestone of establishing the sale of human beings between one country and another. Then they can go further. The nazis have been salami slicing things backwards over time and this is another slice.
Everyone is focused on the land instead of the people that live there that do not want to be American.
This is the first analysis of possible motives I actually buy.
It’s a very conveniently small number of people which lowers the barrier to acceptance and lowers the volume of their political voice (the people of Greenland) in resisting it.
Nothing else makes sense. There are no physical reasons for this. They have different reasons instead and we must look there rather than at the physical reasons that we all agree don’t make any sense.
This is closer to the kind of strategy Bannon would come up with to move culture and mindsets, I’m not saying he’s responsible but I’m saying that it’s a strategy people in his kind of sphere would come up with.
I’m more inclined to believe that there is no higher strategy or rationale behind any of this. Fascism is defined partially by action for the sake of action. They do big things because Trump and his base like big things. We’ve gone from political coverage as entertainment to the political actions themselves as entertainment.
I still think that even if it’s not conscious planning, that is the reason for the action. They want imperialism and feudal relations back, so they’re gonna keep doing things that make it feel like they’re empire and others are peasants or slaves.
I think it could just be simple “if we actually own it we have an absolute say on ANYTHING that goes on and our mineral extraction and military assets cannot be kicked out EVER” whereas there’s this fear that China will give them a better deal and they’ll down the road in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years when the US is weaker make a deal with them, push the US out and that’ll be it. But if the US seizes it, buys, etc, digs in like a tick then in 10 years, 20 years when the US is weaker they still have absolute control of the minerals and their exploitation strategy. They still have absolute control of it for military uses in missile interception against Russia and China over the north pole.
So it’s consolidation of assets, power, land, the great climate fortress while the US still has maximum power. The time to build a fortress and defenses is not when you’re already under attack and flagging but when you’re strongest and can make your boundaries as big as possible. Critically for the US strategy to control China it’s part of ensuring they have control of key raw minerals on top of markets that they can be gatekeeper for and force China to play by their say-so or else they turn off the supplies and turn off China’s manufacturing economy.
I remember when Musk bought twitter and fucked it and himself and there were some users who kept insisting it was some sort of 4D chess ploy spurred on by Peter Thiel
Musk acquired it at enormous cost to himself and mismanaged it but it’s not like it hasn’t achieved anything. It’s the most influential and harmful sources normalising fascist culture and beliefs that exists now.
It’s been so long I can barely remember, but I feel as if it was doing that beforehand as well. But that also wasnt the 4D chess thing.
Elon fell ass-first into twitter after using it for some harebrained scam. He was forced to buy it.
Elon fell ass-first into twitter after using it for some harebrained scam. He was forced to buy it.
It’s wild how most people seem to have just forgotten about this.
I guess I’m just less inclined to think that all of our enemies are idiots. I think there is strategy, and smart strategy too. They don’t successfully turn communist countries like Ukraine into what they are today without a solid strategy of incrementally turning the fascism dial bit by bit.
There are certainly bungling idiots among them and the implementation is at times awful but generally there is a high strategy level occurring somewhere among them that we would be fools ourselves to not acknowledge the existence of.
I ain’t reading all that. Free Palestine.
Sad to see such an all-time poster dropping a TLDR. It’s a young man’s(14-75) game I guess.
I don’t think it’s that complicated. It’s just legacy. Trump wants to have a big thing people can point to and associate with his administration. Annexation of Greenland would be that. He thinks it will be like the Alaska purchase, which is universally considered to have been an excellent deal for the US. It also sets up an acquisition of Canada down the line, as the country would become encircled by US territory.
become encircled by US territory.
st miquelon stands proud as Canada’s window to the world from Yankee encirclement
st miquelon
thanks for this. i love learning about these weird little exclaves.
its so crazy how the brits let them keep it, i think it was to maintain a port for french north atlantic fishermen that couldn’t be fortified
to be fair, it seems like the history had the british repeated occupy, deport everybody back to france, and burn down all the settlements a few times. but then the french would want it back when things back in europe swung in their favor, and repopulate it right away.
and it seems like eventually the anglo powers were like, “jesus christ, who cares, fine, you can have it.” and gave up.
it would’ve been very hard to stop breton fishermen from making stations on the north american coast since they were fishing there since the early 16th century. putting them up in a specific place was presumably more conveinient than dealing with them pulling up in any random port, regardless of legality
side-bar–the prompt and extensive utilization of north atlantic fisheries by europeans is a big vector of psuedohistorical narratives of pre-colombian contact. early explorers just talked about how rich the area was and fishermen followed immediately, but there are stories about breton/basque fishermen predating columbus or whatever
That’d be so easy if his whole political career wasn’t built on racism. Just make Puerto Rico and the other permanently inhabited territories into states. Bam, five new stars on the flag. Some people will actually like it, the people who don’t like it don’t have any power to stop it.
Puerto Rico and the other permanently inhabited territories into states.
Those have icky brown people in them though
So the Danish fools just gave Trump’s claim Russia is targeting Greenland legitimacy by saying they sent troops because of Russia…
lmao they’re gonna lose Greenland
The Lib way to “oppose” Trump is to agree with him and do what he wants you to do, showing weakness, and opening further concessions later
On the other hand… If you’re stationing a symbolic force on Greenland that can function as a sort of tripwire (if the US invades and EU military personnel is killed), then it probably wouldn’t be smart to say “this is because of the US, our military ally, whom we want to remain allied to”. It’s all so stupid
Taking Greenland will expand 200 mile exclusive economic zone. In typical American fashion if they don’t want to make a deal, they steal it uunde the guise of safety (Golden Dome) . I also think American military supply is critically depleted. It didn’t need to be. We could have made a deal like China has.
2012 - Dimensions of Oil and Gas Development in Greenland
In contrast to other parts of the Arctic, Greenland has not had extensive experience with oil and gas production. As prices rose internationally and the USGS estimated possibly huge deposits of oil and gas in the waters around Greenland, the Greenlandic government was very active internationally in promoting the hydrocarbon potential in their region.
The aim was to attract companies that could supplement NUNAOIL, the national oil company of Greenland, with capital and experience. While initially they were met with reluctance and scepticism from multinational energy companies, who perceived the investment to be too high of a risk, this changed with the licensing rounds in 2006.
2012 Greenland’s minerals loom in China-Denmark ties
London Mining, a firm backed by Chinese steelmakers, is seeking permission to construct an iron ore mine northeast of Nuuk at a cost of $2.35 billion that would be the biggest industrial development in Greenland if sanctioned.
Martin Breum, author of a book on Denmark’s role in the Arctic and Greenland’s oil possibilities, said the iron ore project - though potentially hugely important to Greenland - was not what worried Western governments, industries and intelligence agencies.
“Potential Chinese control of the rare earth elements in Greenland is scary to a lot of governments in the Western world,” Breum said, noting that rare earth elements were used in products from telephones, televisions and hybrid cars to cruise missiles and night-vision goggles for soldiers.
“Rare earth elements are of crucial importance to the industries of the western world,” Breum said, adding that China’s de facto monopoly on rare earth elements was intolerable to the West in the long term.
2026 interactive Map Shows How Greenland’s Rare Earth Minerals Compare to Rest of World
If Trump thinks there’s even a chance he loses control of one house of congress in the mid-terms he’s going to push HARD for this to happen before the election so whatever happens can be implemented in terms of congress allocating funds or signing bills to incorporate it.
The infatuation is because of the new shipping lanes that will open as the ice caps melt, which will provide for much more efficient shipping of goods. Also Greenland holds vast reserves of resources such as rare-earths which the US sorely needs now that China is flexing its muscle and denying the US access to them for military uses.
Rare Earths are incredibly common and could be mined in the US. The hard part is not the resources themselves but the processing and refinement of the resources, which China has invested decades into building and mastering. They have millions of earth scientists specializing in rare earths. The US can’t compete without building this same educated base of workers and expensive and advanced infrastructure.
Considering they just abolished the Department of Education and have gutted colleges of anyone willing to speak out against genocide, long term prospects on millions of American scientists ain’t great. American colleges don’t even offer the types of courses you would get in China on these subjects like Material Sciences and Earth Sciences and Chemical Engineering.
Rare Earths are incredibly common and could be mined in the US. The hard part is not the resources themselves but the processing and refinement of the resources, which China has invested decades into building and mastering.
If anyone is interested, our own @SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net wrote an excellent essay/effort post about this whole situation a while back. It’s a great read for those wanting more details about what RE minerals even really are and what the geopolitical situation is with them, at least as of a couple years ago.
The Epic Tale of How China Took Over The Rare Earth Elements Industry - An Essay
Rare Earths are incredibly common
Makes for a pretty bad name then.
Yeah it’s a bit confusing. They are rare in terms of the percentage of the earth’s crust that is made up of those elements, but they are found in most areas of the world evenly distributed. You just have to sift through massive quantities of ordinary earth and you find them. That’s the problem, making an industry of such scale that processing through huge amounts of earth is profitable requires a lot of build-up and investment and supply lines.
And by “sift” I mean, an extremely long and complex process of chemical regimes to extract specific elements. It’s very complicated. There’s like 70 “rare earths” that all require different processes.
But the US already controls both of those things. The US has the mineral rights and the other whatever-rights.
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development. The US wants total control.
The US does not control the shipping near Greenland. China and Russia are actively pursuing shipping through the arctic with icebreakers. The US wants to put a stop to that or at least control it and extract fees for the usage.
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development. The US wants total control.
Is that something you know and has articles on, or is that what you’re vibing? Because Greenland putting up any issues with US industrial efforts is news to me.
The US does not control the shipping near Greenland. China and Russia are actively pursuing shipping through the arctic with icebreakers. The US wants to put a stop to that or at least control it and extract fees for the usage.
I don’t really think the US would be any more succesful in doing that if Greenland was a US territory though. Greenland is part of the kingdom of Denmark, which is a NATO member. Greenland already has US military bases. Whatever legal mumbo jumbo one would want to do to extract fees for shipping lanes through the arctic, are already available. Russia especially, what with passing through Øresund.
That’s the thing that’s baffling to me. There doesn’t seem to be any practical reason for this whole ordeal.The military argument is complete horseshit. The yanks already have unhindered military access to Greenland. In recent years they have themselves decided to scale down their military presence there to a couple of hundred people at the Thule Airbase. If they wanted to put stuff on Greenland for spying on Russia or early warning systems, the Greenlandic and Danish governments would roll up the red carpet for them.
Regarding minerals, Greenland has comprehensive environmental protections in place to protect the vulnerable Arctic enrichment. Big polluting rare earth refining facilities would not be possible under the current rules. An American invasion could put an unelected occupation government in place that would remove these protections and allow American capital to destroy Greenland for profit.
Regarding minerals, Greenland has comprehensive environmental protections in place to protect the vulnerable Arctic enrichment. Big polluting rare earth refining facilities would not be possible under the current rules.
The mining operation in Kuannersuit got interrupted over envinronmetal outrage spearheaded by IA in part because of the radioactivity, but the existing government was all for it. That’s why Siumut ended up owned in 2021.
I kind of figured we did the environmental protections like we do them in Denmark - vote them away when they’re inconvenient. Nice to know Greenland is better at it
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development. The US wants total control.Is that something you know and has articles on, or is that what you’re vibing? Because Greenland putting up any issues with US industrial efforts is news to me.
Yes, there was a specific case of Greenland passing a law banning the exploration and extraction of Uranium, but Uranium is often found in and around sites of rare earth metals. There’s no reason to believe other mining wouldn’t face the same obstacles as the opposition was in regards to environmental preservation concerns.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/dispatches/greenlands-critical-minerals-require-patient-statecraft/
https://www.csis.org/analysis/greenland-rare-earths-and-arctic-security
As for the security concerns there’s plenty of wishy washy shit from Trump on it, but that is the subtext I get from the constant barrage of "oh god China and Russia are all over the waters near Greenland. The boost of troops and the NATO members stating they’re ready to step up security seem to imply there could be at least a little bit of legitimate concern there.
But it could just be Trump on a colonization run after whetting his appetite with Venezuela.
Thank you for the articles. As @Keld@hexbear.net explained there is no reason to treat uranium extraction as a common example. The rest of it though? Oh boy. I appreciate the insight
There’s no reason to believe other mining wouldn’t face the same obstacles as the opposition was in regards to environmental preservation concerns.
No, there is not. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that Greenland would oppose mineral extraction of other resources that aren’t nuclear. There is a recent history of both Greenland attempting to partner with anyone who wants to to develop their mining sector (Including the US) to achieve economic independence from Denmark and the US/Denmark covering up Greenlandic citizens getting cancer from US nuclear material. Greenland both have an inflamed relation with nuclear material and a strong desire for an expanded mining sector. They are absolutely open to negotiations with regards to the environment (As indeed they did with the cryolite and the lead/zink mines)
The US is also ordering new ice breakers from places like Finland so I too think that this is very much about the arctic shipping as climate change advances.
Even prior to ww2 one big issue to the European bougies was always the control of the Murmansk harbor, it’s the trade routes.
The US has rights to minerals and whatnot, but the pesky local governments keep putting up roadblocks to extraction and development.
Is that even true? My knowledge of Greenland’s environmental regulations is that they are extremely lax to non-existent. Pretty much the most common professions up there are seal clubbing and whaling.
greenland falls victim to nominative determinism hundreds of years later after people foolishly thought it was an ironic marketing ploy as all of its natural resources become worth lots of green
I think Trump’s cognition will be lumped into the Pre- and Post-“Thank you for your attention to this matter!” phases. Ever since he started using that, the posts have been way more incomprehensible and hostile than the ones before.
Do you think Greenland is a Dementia Trump fixation or something one of his nepharious eunuchs are pushing him towards?
Both. I haven’t been following it as closely as Venezuela, but as far as I see there are at least four things going into it:
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Scheming court eunuchs. Neo-Nazis seem to want to carve the world into three spheres of influence between the US, Russia, and China. All of these 1933-1938 wars are trying to assert dominance in the Americas and throw a wrench in the EU/NATO. A united Europe presents some kind of check on American dominance while a fragmented one is just lots of protectorates.
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Trump being afraid of death and using this term to slap his name on as many things as possible. The Golden Dome is as much a vanity project as it is scheming Raytheon eunuchs. Trump wants as many monumental projects tied to him as possible. If the Golden Dome is a multinational thing, it’s less likely to be dismantled by the next democrat.
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Trump’s cognitive decline. I’ve seen his kind of dementia so many times in nursing homes where the patient is aware enough to stay out of memory care but is starting to lose executive control over the worst version of themselves. He isn’t Brandon but he isn’t the Trump that could keep himself in check to the extent he could in the first term. He’s much more aggressive and demeaning in ways where he doesn’t seem to consider what little optics apply to him. While he has always been a vulgar bully, he isn’t good at things like nicknames or tearing someone apart now. Now his go-to response for any kind of foreign policy is tariff o plomo with a crude disregard for how he comes off doing either.
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Eco-fascism. The right-wing can’t ignore climate change anymore, but they can’t endorse the things required to meet the crisis. Instead we get an arms race for the polar regions, a war on refugees, and resource wars for anything that can shore up the empire. As Greenland thaws it’s a rare earth mineral, uranium, and oil hub. A domestic supply of any of those resources without the problems of producing them domestically is energy independence.
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Yeah I think the eunuchs want to dissolve NATO and this is the best way they could think of.
I honestly thought dorks like Hegseth and Vance loved NATO. Those guys hate it?
I get that impression, yeah. They at least view it as a lopsided deal where the US does all the heavy lifting.
I think their ideal conception of NATO is a protection racket where the US just charges countries a bunch of money because it would be a shame if anything happened to them.
I think their ideal conception of NATO is a protection racket where the US just charges countries a bunch of money
yeah, i feel like that’s what they thought before they showed up to their offices on day 1 and were told um, no, that’s fucking stupid, and they’re doing everything they can to make their fantasy real.
What a nice army you have here, would be a shame if something were to happen to it
Fuck, seeing this reminded me that that was literally a Monty Python sketch, where a mobster tries to shake down a military base for protection money while the officers are confused and oblivious to his implications.
I considered linking it
i aint reading all that. im happy for you tho. or sorry that happened
