• Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    The fact that they had a boat land there 500 years ago doesn’t make it their land

    Based Landback Don acknowleding we live on stolen land

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      The boat 500 years ago were the inuit I think that’s the time there were first traces of contact between inuit tribes and Norse settlers (who had lived there since around year 1000?)
      Its really embarrassing but I’ve never been big on the history of Greenland. I know it has a lot of cases of “a group of people show up, make a living for a few centuries and then climate change makes that unfeasible so they leave again”

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        The first Norse settlers arrived in 986. Between 1350 and 1500 the settlements were abandoned for reasons that are still unknown.

        There was no continuity between the Norse settlers and modern Danish colonialism but because the settlers were Norwegian the Norwegian, and later Danish, kings mainatned a claim on Greenland. Denmark. When Denmark lost Norway to Sweden in 1814 the Danes were allowed to keep Norway’s North Atlantic possessions, including Greenland, as a consolation prize.

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          That makes way more sense! Did the inuit live on Greenland continuously or did they come and go too? I’ve heard, mainly chuds, some people talk about the inuit only arriving recently.

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            Greenland was continuously settled since 2500BC, which is a marvel of itself, given northern Greenland is basically Antarctica. The Dorest culture lived in northern Greenland before the norse settlers arrived, they were likely a related ethnic group but died out and got replaced by the proto-inuit thule culture around the high middle ages.

            Norse settlers didnt really interact with either group and stayed on northwestern coast mostly, before returning back to iceland when the little ice age started as they couldnt practice northern european-style agriculture anymore.

            Besides indigenous isnt really about time-scale, a palestinian whose parent arrived from egypt on the eve of 1948, is still indigenous to Palestine, because his relation to the zionist settler. Most US Natives also dont really live in their ancestral lands nowadays but they are still indigenous and the settlers taking their reservations is still settler colonialism.

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    The fact that they had a boat land there 500 years ago doesn’t make it their land

    But if he lands a bunch of boats there tomorrow, that fact will make it his land?

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    I’ve heard one of the elements of the defense of Greenland is burning down the unused American military bases. They’re in the middle of nowhere, it’s cold as fuck and if you expect to rely on a building that’s not there you’re fucked.
    Kind of brings a smile to my face imagining some OPERATOR ™ (BOOK PENDING) showing up and finding out he’s not going to have an air-conditioned room, instead he’s going to freeze to death

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    Very telling that they consider bombing Iran to be less of an issue than invading Greenland. I know Greenland itself is majority indigenous but they’re probably more concerned with upsetting Denmark.

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      Upsetting Denmark and the rest of the US’ white allies, which are already completely subservient, for no actual discernable benefit.

      Of course they’d rather take am action against Russia or Iran.

      This is a signal to all US allies that they should’ve taken Kissinger’s parable seriously.

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      I could imagine geography also plays into it. A bombing run is one thing, but invading a massive country in the arctic circle is going to be difficult if you don’t want your roided up grunts to freeze to death. And that’s ignoring all the geopolitics of it

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        It has fuck all population and the US is the only presence there with military bases.

        There is not going to be an invasion. It’s going to be like Crimea which was wholly occupied by the Russian military before they took it because they were leasing the port for their military use.

        The US will just say “this is ours now” and dare anyone to come and force them out.

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          I haven’t talked about population at all I think?

          There is not going to be an invasion

          The title of the of the post is literally about trump ordering plans of an invasion to be made.

          You’re assuming rationality by the chiefs of staff. Greenland is already under American military occupation. There is already an active base on Greenland as well as several inactive bases, which the us have an open invitation to activate at any time. Practically Greenland has already been invaded.

          This doesn’t sound like it’s about practicality. They are talking about “drawing up invasion plans” IE. making some massive and impressive maneuver that Trump can shit his diaper about. Not just stepping out of the Thule airbase and saying “this is ours now”. Because that’s more or less de facto what they’ve already done and that hasn’t satisfied Trump.

          De facto Greenland is and has been under American control for decades. Trump wants it to be De Jure, for some reason, and it seems like the only way he can think of doing that is by launching a large scale invasion or some sort of SMO which probably will involve naval landings or some shit like that.

          Even if it doesn’t: If what trump wants is troops to march over Greenland, then that will be difficult because Greenland is large and cold and sparsely populated so it’s also sparsely urbanised. Few roads.

          edit: If there is anything somewhat rational about this it might be a sort of carrot-or-stick situation where Trump threatens invasion in order to get Denmark and Greenland to agree to a purchase. But I don’t know how that would function in practicality

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        Iran would be even more of a nightmare. It’s super mountainous, it has deserts. MILLIONS of people. One of the biggest armies in the world. How would that be better??

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          A bombing run is one thing, but invading a massive country in the arctic circle is going to be difficult

          Whenever you think someone says something ludicrous, please reread their text thoroughly.

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    sounds like all the senior military figures are both woke and gay, maybe they should all be purged and you could put some podcasters in their place? im sure you could find some fascist hoi4 players from youtube.

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      Sounds like Holden Bloodfeast has been trying but Trump doesn’t care. He wants new territory and he’s not going to get it from the desperate neocons in his cabinet trying to bomb Iran or fight Russia lol.

      Got to hand it to him, he does know that the easiest way is going to be from the weak and pathetic EU.

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        Got to hand it to him, he does know that the easiest way is going to be from the weak and pathetic EU.

        I won’t hand it to him if he doesn’t invade mainland €ur𖦏p€.

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        I think at some point someone put the idea in his head that all the “greatest” presidents conquered territory for the US, and so he is convinced he needs to do that as well and refuses to back down.

        Or it could be a push and pull between different factions, some who recognise that the US cannot continue as it is without more resources, and some that would rather just not rock the boat and continue stripping the copper from the walls.

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            Greenland is not white enough to be a state. It is majority indigenous. The population is also very small.

            Maybe they think they can flood it with white settlers but there’s good material reasons why it is so sparsely populated.

          • If that’s all it were, it’d be easy:

            • Puerto Rico
            • Virgin Islands (hell, take the British ones too)
            • Guam
            • American Samoa (by the time you’re snatching the BVI you really think Samoa’s gonna put up a fight when you fold it in too?)
            • Mariana Islands

            Boom, 11 columns of 5 so the new flag won’t even look too different.

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              1. too spanish (woke)
              2. and become the Virgin president?
              3. too tiny (woke)
              4. reminds me of samoa joe, which reminds me of sleepy joe, no go.
              5. sounds too italian, mama mia, next you’ll be saying we should allow them to join our Beautiful Union
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            On a Mercator map it’s bigger than the USA. I don’t think he’s able to understand what a 3km ice sheet means for mineral extraction, and he’s lived inside a solid gold echo chamber his whole life so I don’t think he knows what polar climates are able to support in terms of agriculture or general habitability. I think he’s looking at maps and seeing a really big piece of land basically next door and he wants to be immortalized

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    Stop denouncing the European forces or im calling the Vietnamese. Acting as if im about to make a phonecall