Are Lemmy anarchists okay? How does this person have 24 upvotes? In what universe are anarchists NOT doing class analysis, (therefore) don’t want to abolish capitalism, and don’t want to fight archism?

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I suspect this is just because libs absolutely DESPISE comrade @Cowbee@hexbear.net and will upvote anything smart-sounding that supposedly addresses whatever is being discussed?

Also, gotta love the whole “I have this opinion and many anarchists will disagree and that’s what anarchism is about”. Like, buddy, you haven’t read one book or talked to one anarchist IRL, let alone organized in your entire life.

  • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Of course anarchists “do class analysis” and want to abolish capitalism. But that’s just because those are examples of oppression in our everyday lives. What I mean is that it is secondary to the actual goal of creating anarchic spaces which will could eventually replace both class and capitalism. Class analysis really isn’t useful for that because the only thing it offers is a vague “The bourgeoisie are the enemy”. Until someone points a gun at me or punches me I don’t have any enemies.

    And like I said this is just my version of anarchism. A combination of Pluralism, Pacifism, Apolity and being sooo fucking tired of the endless discussions that lead nowhere.

    This is indefensible trash trying to paper over the immense absurdity of their nonsensical worldview, not in being an anarchist but in failing to understand anything about existing political systems. “Social murder? Is that the name of your new band?”

    The absolute audacity to call class analysis “vague” because they haven’t read a book in their fucking life.

    • Val@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I will admit that I don’t actually know that much about class analysis. The material I consume is more focused on critique of authority, decentralised organisation and production, things like that. Which is why I think class analysis is redundant as it is already covered under critique of authority. Except authority focuses on the actual actions that people take instead of their positions, and it covers representative democracy as well.

      But I still think it’s a valid framework, not just one that I would use.

      And if you think I haven’t read anything I’ve posted a list as a response in this thread.

      • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Class isn’t authority. There are inter-class authorities, and intra-class authorities. In my opinion, the latter aren’t bad and are often cases necessary and useful, but that’s more into Marxism. Anarchism needs class analysis because it informs anarchists on what the weak points and points of contention in capitalist society are. The working classes stand in opposition not to any vague concept of authority, but instead are a part of a complex system of circulation, production, and distribtution that is regularly centralizing.

        Anarchists that wish to decentralize society need to understand how to counteract this centralizing force. Marxists push it forward into collectivization and democratization, while anarchists instead typically go for prefiguration and community aid. In either case, though, these forces must be understood in order to act, and these forces are determined by class, as they aren’t simply abstractions but a real material system that functions in the material world.