Are Lemmy anarchists okay? How does this person have 24 upvotes? In what universe are anarchists NOT doing class analysis, (therefore) don’t want to abolish capitalism, and don’t want to fight archism?

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I suspect this is just because libs absolutely DESPISE comrade @Cowbee@hexbear.net and will upvote anything smart-sounding that supposedly addresses whatever is being discussed?

Also, gotta love the whole “I have this opinion and many anarchists will disagree and that’s what anarchism is about”. Like, buddy, you haven’t read one book or talked to one anarchist IRL, let alone organized in your entire life.

  • Sanctus@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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    1 month ago

    I mean I would say anarchism is about removing oppressive structures, to a point where all that is left is absolutely necessary hierarchies and even of those some of them are temporary and spontaneously arise to fill needs. But to each their own I guess. His point on anarchists cells isn’t really wrong though. Its just those aren’t permanent either.

    On the Cowbee thing I think people don’t like being shown they can’t keep up with the discussion. Cowbee actually knows theory of their favored system and is extremely adept at discussion and dissection. I myself have had that feeling before and its not really fair to them. They aren’t saying you have to agree or anything, they’re just informing you what communist theory says. Which since I’ve started reading some anarchist theory I realized they were right about me. I need to inform myself way more and read more theory. Can be a hard pill to swallow, but its required to normalize intellectual political discussions.

  • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    1 month ago

    To be slightly fair to them, some anarchists do reject class analysis. They’re wrong, of course, and are fringe among anarchists, but they exist. Further, the rest of their comment isn’t nearly as bad as that line makes them seem, and they do admit to having an opinion other anarchists would disagree with. I disagree with them of course, and I’m probably being too generous. I just interact with far worse daily.

    That being said, the libs do seem to hate me, I agree lol

        • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Of course anarchists “do class analysis” and want to abolish capitalism. But that’s just because those are examples of oppression in our everyday lives. What I mean is that it is secondary to the actual goal of creating anarchic spaces which will could eventually replace both class and capitalism. Class analysis really isn’t useful for that because the only thing it offers is a vague “The bourgeoisie are the enemy”. Until someone points a gun at me or punches me I don’t have any enemies.

          And like I said this is just my version of anarchism. A combination of Pluralism, Pacifism, Apolity and being sooo fucking tired of the endless discussions that lead nowhere.

          This is indefensible trash trying to paper over the immense absurdity of their nonsensical worldview, not in being an anarchist but in failing to understand anything about existing political systems. “Social murder? Is that the name of your new band?”

          The absolute audacity to call class analysis “vague” because they haven’t read a book in their fucking life.

          • Val@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I will admit that I don’t actually know that much about class analysis. The material I consume is more focused on critique of authority, decentralised organisation and production, things like that. Which is why I think class analysis is redundant as it is already covered under critique of authority. Except authority focuses on the actual actions that people take instead of their positions, and it covers representative democracy as well.

            But I still think it’s a valid framework, not just one that I would use.

            And if you think I haven’t read anything I’ve posted a list as a response in this thread.

            • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              1 month ago

              Class isn’t authority. There are inter-class authorities, and intra-class authorities. In my opinion, the latter aren’t bad and are often cases necessary and useful, but that’s more into Marxism. Anarchism needs class analysis because it informs anarchists on what the weak points and points of contention in capitalist society are. The working classes stand in opposition not to any vague concept of authority, but instead are a part of a complex system of circulation, production, and distribtution that is regularly centralizing.

              Anarchists that wish to decentralize society need to understand how to counteract this centralizing force. Marxists push it forward into collectivization and democratization, while anarchists instead typically go for prefiguration and community aid. In either case, though, these forces must be understood in order to act, and these forces are determined by class, as they aren’t simply abstractions but a real material system that functions in the material world.