I think it is so funny burgerland is blaming AI and data centers for this and not the fact that they privatized utilities and extracted out maximum profits while doing less than bare minimum maintenance and upgrades for 40 years
“two things can be true at the same time sweaty”
I dunno I know people are very upset that AI is contaminating their treats and threatening the petite bourgeois status of artists but I would really like for machine learning to replace animal testing so they can develop new therapies for thalassemia so maybe I can stop getting transfusions without killing a billion animals.
AI is contaminating their treats and threatening the petite bourgeois status of artists
they’re using this shit primarily to spread imperial lies and make deepfake child porn dude i think that’s just bad whoever is complaining about ityeah probably, I just wrote in another comment though that this is a problem with capitalism and not really AI and machine learning. There are a lot of legitimate and good uses for it like replacing animal testing and communist planning. We need to put Elon Musk to death and seize the data centers and use it for communism.
I’m not really aware of that I had to look up the American news to hear about the newest twitter horrors. Up to now all I heard were complaints about fucking video games and intellectual property.
The thing is, we didn’t need data centers for what AI is already doing. And if AI is going to replace animal testing; it won’t be an LLM that does it, it’ll be a more specialized application of machine learning. Its model will be trained on the human genome, or on molecular biology, rather than language, and that kind of machine learning was already around before LLMs. And again. You don’t need even one data center to do that, much less do you need one or more in every state. The whole model could be run in a single cabinet.
Remember that LLMs can’t create anything new, they can’t even really verify their own reasoning, they can only emulate what already exists by amalgamating whatever it was trained on in whatever way is most likely to please the user.
The way these data centers are being quickly and quietly rammed through; I think they will more likely serve the surveillance state (see palantir) than they will push forward medical technology.
Yeah that is fair but I do consulting with medical companies that do use public clouds so at least some of that capacity is being used for medical technology. Again as I said earlier this is a problem with capitalism and imperialism not really ML or AI. Everyone in Palantir should be in prison for life and the industrial capacity being created to suit them should be redirected toward positive ends. Just saying we don’t want AI and want to get rid of the datacenters in fact does nothing to solve the problems that created the material conditions for their build out and does nothing to solve the core issue which is imperial capital. The actual core problem in this post though is caused by datacenters stressing the grid but as yogthos said, China doesn’t seem to have this problem. They didn’t privatize their grid and do 0 maintenance for 50 years.
Just saying we don’t want AI and want to get rid of the datacenters in fact does nothing to solve the problems that created the material conditions for their build out and does nothing to solve the core issue which is imperial capital.
Neither does burying our heads in the sand on what imperial capital is building out this technology to do? Sitting around talking on a social forum about any given topic isn’t likely to solve anything, that’s not what we’re here to do in the first place. Yes it would be great if AI solved animal testing. It would be great if it solved mechanized unicorns that shoot out rainbow dust. Perhaps under communism we could develop it to do those things.
But that’s not the system we live under, nor is that primary motivation for the powers that are developing it, nor does it account for the vast majority of the adverse effects that are already taking shape. That is what we are resisting when we resist these data centers.
You seem to be taking this weird slippery nihilistic “no ethical consumption under capitalism” angle to say, what exactly? The data centers, water consumption and water contamination, new expansion of fossil fuels, insufficient power infrastructure, data collection and surveillance, and so on; that’s all okay actually and we should just let it happen because of blind optimism that there might be some positive side effects after the fall of capitalism?
The forces of capital would not be banking literally their entire future on this if it wasn’t a massive expansion of their power. How are we “solving the core issue” by letting imperial capital expand its dominance in this way, not only handwringing about putting up any kind of fight but actually daydreaming about how this expansion could actually maybe hopefully solve our ethical dilemmas for us like the good salesmen are saying it will?
China doesn’t seem to have this problem. They didn’t privatize their grid and do 0 maintenance for 50 years.
Ok? Again, this seems like a non-sequitur and you’re just avoiding having to actually consider the ethics and political reality at play here because there’s a specific thing you want out of it.
oh sorry i mightve come off a bit aggro there, the automated pedo shit is just reverberating around my brain, like the US is threatening the countries that rightfully banned/are looking to ban twitter over it. it’s such a blatant admission it feels insane, and they’re still somehow getting people fired for calling the admin pedos
well yeah, but there’d be enough electricity for that sort of AI use (even with the US’s hollowed out infra) if vastly more wasnt constantly wasted on making child porn and spreading the news of the genocide of white south africans, or whatever grok and friends are on now…
I have no idea what is happening on twitter 🤷
I just know that real engineers and scientists have been working on AI and machine learning for decades for good reasons besides American gooners and empire and in the hands of communist government it can be put to good use. Seizing the means and production and all that.
it’s a one-two punch
One could say the US electricity grid was already under the kill line.
The US, since it positions itself as the greatest country ever (lol), should be able to power all the data centers it wants to with renewable energy and not incur grid collapse.
Exactly, weird how China doesn’t have this problem.
Amazing what happens when a government actually invests in infrastructure
My electricity bill jumped by ~50% in the span of a year, how do these morons think they’re going to build these datacenters without renewables?
I was joking about how the average US citizen will have constant blackouts in order to keep the AI data centers online, I didn’t think it would actually be happening so soon.
I’m only amazed data centers finally pushed it over the edge and not just failed on its own considering how poorly the entire grid is maintained.
yeah things are moving faster than expected
How to get USAians to adopt rooftop solar…
Idk I hear data centres themselves are pretty combustible, they could try burning those for energy
break in and steal the ram first
A new meaning for RAM Ranch
ram the gate, then get the ram
its simply a federated powergrid
Americans are normally pretty conservative, and all this AI shit should be a masterclass in how ‘the economy’ really only has the elite as its players (this should be a ‘no duh’, but I digress.)
Among normal people, who the fuck is asking for this shit and volunteers to be collateral damage? But don’t let that stop elites on their pursuit for FREE LABOR.
EDIT: when I mean “conservative” I mean they’d be averse to this the same way they’d be averse to any other change.
The alternative would be not destroying the electrical grid to burn as much fuel as possible, but that would immediately collapse the AI industry, the MIC, and probably the global financial system. Lets hope the US has a monopoly over resources that require a massive expansion electrical transport capacity…
Copper exports by country
Chile has a huge lead in copper export. Chile has a pro-US government at the moment.
Can Aluminium wire be used to replace copper in times of crisis/ for lower costs? Afaik Aluminium has lower conductivity by volume compared to copper, but would that be a major drawback?
people will die but at least my AI girlfriend will be okay
I’m gonna have to see if I can find an actual original source for this tomorrow when I’m awake.
I think this presentation from September is the source, but it’s unavailable and I can’t find it archived either.
edit: spoke too early, archive.org has it https://web.archive.org/web/20250923030034/https://www.pjm.com/-/media/DotCom/committees-groups/cifp-lla/2025/20250915/20250915-item-05---cifp-scenario-analysis---presentation.pdf
