A post from 2 days ago presented a graph that showed an important variation in
the active userbase: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/52565659
[https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/52565659]
Using the daily rather than monthly view on
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120
[https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120] shows a much stable line
(especially if you take into account Piefed’s growth:
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120
[https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120] )
Going through the comments in the other posts, a few recommendations that can
help with the overall experience
- use different feeds: either using different Lemmy/Mbin accounts (one account
per type of content), or Piefed personal feeds, but being able to browse
different feeds such as “Good news”, “Hobbies”, “Art”, “Life advice” help to see
more content than politics and tech - discover communities: subscribe to
!communitypromo@lemmy.ca [/c/communitypromo@lemmy.ca], !fedigrow@lemmy.zip
[/c/fedigrow@lemmy.zip] and !newcommunities@lemmy.world
[/c/newcommunities@lemmy.world] to add active communities to your feeds
- go to general communities rather than specific ones: the current user base
only allows so much specialization. Your favorite city builder community may not
exist, but !citybuilders@sh.itjust.works [/c/citybuilders@sh.itjust.works] does.
!stationery@lemmy.world [/c/stationery@lemmy.world] and
!pen_and_paper@lemmy.world [/c/pen_and_paper@lemmy.world] may be inactive, but
!journaling@sh.itjust.works [/c/journaling@sh.itjust.works] is not. - use a
client that allows for comments consolidation: I don’t remember which mobile
apps does it (Sync, I think?), Piefed has that feature built-in too. It allows
to see all comments on a cross-post in the same view:
https://piefed.zip/c/privacy/p/928874/worst-in-show-ces-products-include-ai-refrigerators-ai-companions-and-ai-doorbells#post_replies
[https://piefed.zip/c/privacy/p/928874/worst-in-show-ces-products-include-ai-refrigerators-ai-companions-and-ai-doorbells#post_replies]
- report toxic users and avoid communities that do not handle your reports:
quite a few comments mentioned that issue in the other thread. Mods can’t see
everything, reporting helps to keep the atmosphere of a community enjoyable. -
use a client that implements keyword filters: quite a few mobile apps and
alternative Lemmy front-ends do, Piefed has it built in. It can really help
avoid the “doom and gloom” overwhelming your feed. Finally, a few communities
recommendations for lighthearted communities
- !casualconversation@piefed.social [/c/casualconversation@piefed.social]
- !goodnewseveryone@piefed.social [/c/goodnewseveryone@piefed.social]
- !wholesome@reddthat.com [/c/wholesome@reddthat.com]
- !nicememes@sopuli.xyz [/c/nicememes@sopuli.xyz]
- !dullsters@dullsters.net [/c/dullsters@dullsters.net] /
!dull_mens_club@lemmy.world [/c/dull_mens_club@lemmy.world]
- !twogoobers@lemmy.zip [/c/twogoobers@lemmy.zip]
So what’s going on here, most likely, is that the intake of new users is declining as opposed to people specifically being driven off the platform (as some users allege).
The difference, one would assume, is that on the whole, Reddit’s political biases influence more what is not shown (much like lemmy.ml banning people for any criticism of Russia, China, or North Korea, or the echo chamber in hexbear), whereas Lemmy’s tankie issue also manifests as people actively sea-lioning (e.g. Cowbee) and (especially from hexbear) overt trolling, which shows up more in people’s faces. Both are issues, neither are good.
As comrade @RedSturgeon@hexbear.net said, what makes them most frustrated is simply not falling for their provocations. They can easily dismiss hostile and agressive actions mentally, but what truly gets under their skin is remaining reasonable and calm about it, as though their own provocations have no impact on you.
I try not to take cheap rhetorical wins either, taking their arguments at the most charitable and debunking them anyways, as that’s more effective.
It’s honestly not too difficult. I simply speak on what I’ve researched enough to be confident on, and I don’t let the opinions of clear reactionaries shake me just like I wouldn’t do so of flat Earthers. That being said, it does get tiring, haha.
I don’t mean to discredit your efforts, but if you really want to go under their skin you have to do so without denigrating them, just speaking facts. It will boil their blood because they know they have to lie to maintain their worldview or they have to remain willfully ignorant.
So of course they will do anything they can to target the users who cite the most sources and put the most effort into what they’re doing. They might even genuinely believe Cowbee is a paid agent of CPC, because they can’t think anyone would willingly spend so much effort into research and education, without being paid for it.
The thing is, they don’t think they’re lying. They think that if we were telling them the truth, this information would inevitably permeate the highest echelons of institutional media and academia. They operate under an epistemological framework where these institutions are cornerstone of reality, and any fact or historical occurrence they haven’t acknowledged is suspect.
The idea that powerful ideologues of American imperialism like Alan Dershowitz and Larry Summers can wield their high positions at an institution like Harvard University to skew the trajectory of academics doesn’t even enter their minds. They barely grasp the idea that there’s a reason why people like Jeff Bezos would buy the Washington Post.
The need for external validation, like from an established institution, is probably the most difficult thing I’ve had to try to overcome myself, in order to move my own views further to the left.
Every step I’ve taken is met with accusations of there being hidden personal motives, even though I make my interest and biases transparent.
Even when they can’t find a personal interest in my moves, like when I was talking to an Italian friend about how he should organize with his locals, who are making an effort to make things better, and was simply giving him some tips to improve his own life, he just tells me literally: “I feel like you tell people this stuff to self validate yourself and do it to feel comfort.”
It’s incredibly frustrating and makes me want to lash out in anger, but I can’t afford to do such things or the accusations of mental illness and hysteria start piling in. Liberals have even started telling me that caring for Gazans is actually a sign of me being mentally ill, overactive empathy they say.
They might even genuinely believe Cowbee is a paid agent of CPC, because they can’t think anyone would willingly spend so much effort into research and education, without being paid for it.
I’ve seen this accusation a few times, actually. Usually among those that can tell that I do know what I’m talking about for the most part, and that I do believe it as well. As cool as that would be, though, I’m not a CPC agent.
And like, even if it were true, it doesn’t disprove anything you actually say. You could be from Mars or something and it still would have 0 bearing on whether or not the things you say have merit.
But liberals know they can’t attack socialist arguments, so they need to attack the person, and you give them so little to actually attack that their only response is to invent conspiracy theories about you.
True, good point! And agreed on the conspiracy theory bit, another I’ve seen is the idea that other users are my alts, which is funny too. It all does end up working towards making socialism more reasonable, though!
In true conspiracy theory fashion, it is completely internally inconsistent. You are both way too active to be a regular person and must be a bot, but also other users must also be your alts, because if they find it suspicious that you spend too much time talking to them, the answer is obviously that you are secretly spending even more time talking to them via alts.
One would have to imagine that the kind of person who can do extensive research for the highest bidder could earn more than the CPC could offer to post on social media. Then they’d be like “well, his motivation is political” and it’s like “no shit, that’s the base case. We fucking hate capitalism. Let me explain:”
As someone who rips on libs all the time, I’m just frustrated that Cowbee gets all the ire 😤
It’s probably because Cowbee cites sources and does research, whereas I’m just like “eat shit”.
As comrade @RedSturgeon@hexbear.net said, what makes them most frustrated is simply not falling for their provocations. They can easily dismiss hostile and agressive actions mentally, but what truly gets under their skin is remaining reasonable and calm about it, as though their own provocations have no impact on you.
I try not to take cheap rhetorical wins either, taking their arguments at the most charitable and debunking them anyways, as that’s more effective.
One of my new year’s resolutions is to be more like you!
That’s very sweet, comrade!
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You are a far more patient person than I, and I thank you for your service 🫡
Thank you!
I feel like I would fail both on the psychological front and on the research front, yet you take it up in the trenches everyday somehow
It’s honestly not too difficult. I simply speak on what I’ve researched enough to be confident on, and I don’t let the opinions of clear reactionaries shake me just like I wouldn’t do so of flat Earthers. That being said, it does get tiring, haha.
The hardest part is always not reacting to the terrible things they say in replies
The number of times I’ve rewritten comments to tone them down is way too high, haha.
I don’t mean to discredit your efforts, but if you really want to go under their skin you have to do so without denigrating them, just speaking facts. It will boil their blood because they know they have to lie to maintain their worldview or they have to remain willfully ignorant.
So of course they will do anything they can to target the users who cite the most sources and put the most effort into what they’re doing. They might even genuinely believe Cowbee is a paid agent of CPC, because they can’t think anyone would willingly spend so much effort into research and education, without being paid for it.
The thing is, they don’t think they’re lying. They think that if we were telling them the truth, this information would inevitably permeate the highest echelons of institutional media and academia. They operate under an epistemological framework where these institutions are cornerstone of reality, and any fact or historical occurrence they haven’t acknowledged is suspect.
The idea that powerful ideologues of American imperialism like Alan Dershowitz and Larry Summers can wield their high positions at an institution like Harvard University to skew the trajectory of academics doesn’t even enter their minds. They barely grasp the idea that there’s a reason why people like Jeff Bezos would buy the Washington Post.
The need for external validation, like from an established institution, is probably the most difficult thing I’ve had to try to overcome myself, in order to move my own views further to the left.
Every step I’ve taken is met with accusations of there being hidden personal motives, even though I make my interest and biases transparent.
Even when they can’t find a personal interest in my moves, like when I was talking to an Italian friend about how he should organize with his locals, who are making an effort to make things better, and was simply giving him some tips to improve his own life, he just tells me literally: “I feel like you tell people this stuff to self validate yourself and do it to feel comfort.”
It’s incredibly frustrating and makes me want to lash out in anger, but I can’t afford to do such things or the accusations of mental illness and hysteria start piling in. Liberals have even started telling me that caring for Gazans is actually a sign of me being mentally ill, overactive empathy they say.
I’ve seen this accusation a few times, actually. Usually among those that can tell that I do know what I’m talking about for the most part, and that I do believe it as well. As cool as that would be, though, I’m not a CPC agent.
And like, even if it were true, it doesn’t disprove anything you actually say. You could be from Mars or something and it still would have 0 bearing on whether or not the things you say have merit.
But liberals know they can’t attack socialist arguments, so they need to attack the person, and you give them so little to actually attack that their only response is to invent conspiracy theories about you.
True, good point! And agreed on the conspiracy theory bit, another I’ve seen is the idea that other users are my alts, which is funny too. It all does end up working towards making socialism more reasonable, though!
In true conspiracy theory fashion, it is completely internally inconsistent. You are both way too active to be a regular person and must be a bot, but also other users must also be your alts, because if they find it suspicious that you spend too much time talking to them, the answer is obviously that you are secretly spending even more time talking to them via alts.
I know, if I had the time to also use alts I wouldn’t have time for anything else! Great point again!
One would have to imagine that the kind of person who can do extensive research for the highest bidder could earn more than the CPC could offer to post on social media. Then they’d be like “well, his motivation is political” and it’s like “no shit, that’s the base case. We fucking hate capitalism. Let me explain:”
Excellent point! Though I would love to be paid by the CPC to do the shitposting I do, haha.