The concerns in question:
The plan: Walk out of the US base that already exists in Greenland. Plant flag.
On this note, it was very funny to (briefly) see CNN trying to explain how this doesn’t have the legal foundation the admin is asserting it has, which
- They don’t care
- Maybe ‘legal precedent’ isn’t what should be examined when the president is trying to invade and annex a country that has done literally nothing
I suppose it’s a great distillation of liberalism, though “Noooooooo you can’t do this, that court case in 1836 between Farmer Dickface and the US government doesn’t apply here, nooooOOOOO you’re invading INCORRECTLY”
This, this exactly
I fucking hate it when libs talk about “Erm, that’s ackshually illegal” when the right DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING SWIMMING WALKING OR SHITTING FUCK ABOUT LEGALITY
We had someone get MURDERED not too long ago, are they gonna actually punish that removed? NO. They HATE law and order, they HATE principle, they HATE legal precedent. All the right wants to ever do is murder andremoved like the removed scum they are, so RECOGNIZE THAT and ACT ACCORDINGLY for fucks sake, I’m so mad
It’s the defining feature of liberalism. There’s never any talk about if it’s morally right or wrong, or if it’s a net positive or net negative for the world or society or community. Just "can we legally do this? " And that’s all that matters
Legalism is just another way of obfuscating reality.
Look - we’re changing the climate and making Greenland GREEN again! In doing so we’re going to extract a lot of GREEN. They said it would be impossible. That would take 500 years. Well I’ll tell ya - once we secured the GREENland we’ll always wonder why we never had it.can someone refresh my memory as to why the obsession with Greenland exists in the first place? Other than the US military bases there, does it provide anything strategic? Resources, oil, gold, silica, a good place to drop bombs from, what?
It is rich in oil. And it also has a lot of rare earth elements. The US probably recognises that they need to scramble for as much of the world’s resources while they still have the power to do so.
The thawing arctic is going to disrupt the entire world order by creating all new shipping routes and zones of conflict. There is also the rich irony of an administration that denies climate change trying to strategize around its direct consequence.
1930s shenanigans. Everyone jumps to the Nazis but we must not forget the Technocrats, especially since Elon’s grandparents were silvershirts. I’m sure Thiel and the others are on board with technocracy.
The Technocracy movement had its brief heyday in the 1930s, its leading proponent engineer Howard Scott (1890-1970) and his Technocracy Incorporated, founded in 1933. The movement was ideologically somewhat diverse and fractious, but Scott’s version was fueled by the Great Depression and the crisis of capitalism, quack economics, post-First-World-War isolationism, and an infatuation with Fascist form and ritual. At the core of its ideology was a rejection of the “price system” underlying the global economy, in which money as a medium of exchange determines the value of goods and services and financial considerations are fundamental to all economic decision making. Citing the Depression as Exhibit A, movement adherents viewed this system as inherently unsustainable and predicted a total system collapse no later than 1940.
Technocracy Inc.’s prescriptive program had economic, political and geopolitical elements. At the core was a shift from the price system to what Scott called “an energy theory of value”, in which goods and services were to be valued based not on money but in terms of the energy inputs required to produce them. This in turn would necessitate the abandonment of democracy and the embrace of a technocracy—government by an unelected, technically skilled, empirically-driven elite with the expertise necessary to determine values and make rational resource-allocation decisions. The outward manifestations of this authoritarian outlook had a distinctly Fascist flavor: Technocracy Inc. members wore a uniform of double-breasted suit, gray shirt, and blue tie, with the red Technocracy logo worn on the lapel; drove gray-painted cars; and saluted one another in public.
Think about using energy input as a pricing mechanism. Then think about cryptocurrency.
what ive seen that’s most convincing is trump feels he is owed it; for all his perceived favors to europe they need to give him something back and it’s making him very angry they don’t give it on their own initiative.
exact same thing is going on with the nobel prize, he’s cut out the venezuelan emigré opposition entirely because a woman didn’t facilitate his getting a shiny trophy.
every strategic/economic target of the occupation would be rammed through under danish administration (even an independent greenland wouldnt have much hope opposing it), it’s genuinely just the mad impulse of the emperor guiding the ship
Trump’s rationale is if we don’t invade then Russia or China will take it.
They’ve already got military bases there though.
okay sure but why would they want it?
Who knows, guy’s mind is pudding and he’s surrounded by fascists.
Barron played hoi4 and invaded greenland
alright, i thought that was the case but i thought maybe there was something
There is something. It’s projection. The US knows that with global warming the extraction of resources in arctic regions that were previously too difficult or impossible to extract, will now or soon be possible. Large amounts of oil and rare earth materials. The US knows how valuable those resources will be, especially with China potentially cutting off rare earth supplies that the MIC needs to continue it’s wars for control. The projection here is that the US thinks that Russia and China think exactly like them, and would “obviously” also want to steal Greenland’s resources for themselves. So their justification is that they’ve gotta do it first.
Mineral resources and a better footing to a thawing arctic.
Why do people keep framing it as an invasion? The US is the only country with a military presence on the island, barring some civilian resistance they could basically just say “we own this now”
Same way they frame Crimea as an invasion
I mean fwiw the overwhelming majority of people in Greenland are indigenous
, not that I expect the Yankee military brass to knowI’m operating under the assumption that the Yankee military brass doesn’t care one iota about who actually lives there, but rather who “owns” it
Does the NATO treaty not have some clause or exception covering intramember conflict? You’d think if one member invaded the other then they’re out of the treaty.
I am going to guess that it was just simply inconceivable. They assumed that NATO members would resolve their disputes through other institutions (UN, EU parliament, WTO, etc). That was the whole point of these institutions, to make resolving disputes able to be done without war.
We obviously all know it was a sham but it’s quite funny to have the sham ripped apart to reveal the true power dynamics underneath
From what I’m reading the treaty says its forbidden but doesn’t state any consequences. Some take that to mean nothing happens, others think it invokes article 5. I’m not seeing anything in article 5 that could be argued for an exception. Denmark could easily threaten to activate Article V. They won’t, but they could.
It’s ultimately just words on paper. Denmark can activate it all they like and all members would sit by and do nothing. The only thing that is truly in question is whether or not they would bother making up some contrived legal interpretation for why they can’t do anything.
If I remember correctly, article 5 doesn’t actually compel other member states to intervene in the first place. They can just opt to do nothing and still be in accordance with the treaty.
as we all know, treaties last forever and it would be absolutely impossible for anyone to go back on their word, so of course it was inconceivable
[the] move has faced resistance
For me the funny thing is how lib media venerates American law and the constitution. Oh, my goodness! Doing X is against the law and unconstitional! Trump is the law and the constitution is a bunch of suggestions at this point.
If Trump invades Greenland - every single top military guy who needs to be involved - will do 100% of what Trump wants. Not doing what he wants is career suicide. Plus Trump and rightwing media will try to destroy their lives entirely. Their families will get death threats. They and their families might have to go into hiding and stay in hiding. Etc.
If they don’t want to do what Trump wants - they’ll have to resign. Simple as.
The motivation for posting this is the complete lack of pushback to Venezuela
For me the funny thing is how lib media venerates American law and the constitution. Oh, my goodness! Doing X is against the law and unconstitional!
#notall-libs
The lib I used to work with once actually asked me why Greenland SHOULDN’T belong to America; he said it’s closer to America than Denmark (yes, this guy despise Trump, AND YET)
I know Americans are real stupid at geography / history, but why do so many seem to think Greenland is filled with just Danes?
I think it is just a “Greenland is in Europe” and “Indigenous people live in the Americas.” mix of two kinds of American ignorance.
i mean is iceland filled with inuits? no, so why would GREENland be? checkmate
Mr. President, give me one million dollars and I will take the country by myself, no need to put our heroes in harms way. I double super pinky promise I won’t collect the money and flee to China, I swear to you my king.
“Mr. President, attacking Greenland would be illegal! You should bomb Iran instead.”
Shit, I was laughing because I thought you made this up… then I “continued reading”. Fuck.
With great solemnity - “Today Trump became presidential.”
Sites that do this are so annoying. I assume it’s done as the simplest way possible for them to get metrics “Did the visitor click the button?” But the data is flawed. I bet a lot of people did what I just did. I pushed the fucking button but then I decided I was annoyed enough it was better to close the tab than try to read in annoyance.
This is why I never read the things I post 😎
Enlightened PostingI need to get smarter.
“Okay, sir? If we try to take Greenland, we’re picking a fight with Europe, not poor brown people from a country with zero ability to fight back; Europe actually HAS real, modern weapons, and I didn’t spend years murdering and [redacted] brown children only to cry in a gutter while military planes fly overhead looking for me; if you think the troops have PTSD from Iraq, you ain’t seen NOTHING yet”
I wish they would just pull the trigger already and get it over with; barely two weeks and the topic has already become annoying.
