![[CW: the most embarrassing liberalism that might actually give you a concussion] People are dying and they still think they can solve this with civil protest](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/80da2324-d2e4-406c-a62e-ea0158ea43fc.jpeg){kind=link}
Hoping to hell that’s an AI or a bot because this might be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
Before you get depressed, know that there are people who actually are calling this shit out and there are people who are suggesting actual helpful techniques in that sub. But damn, that particular post was wow.
Anyway, I’m not going back to the reddit mines for a while.
Where is the revolutionary moment that is passing by? Honestly if you start a some militant partisan shit now you are just lining up to get massacred next.
If you get murdered in one of those silly costumes you at least make for a martyr. If you get murdered waving guns and communist flags you die for nothing.
I dunno man, but we’ve been doing the peaceful protest thing forever and it just doesn’t work
I don’t think we have enough libs on our side (the largest group of people in the west) to do it non-peaceful yet. Unless it’s small and quick, with secret cells acting quickly, like Palestine Action sabotaging Israeli MIC companies.
We still need the numbers, which means education. The propaganda is so hard to break through but the Zohran election has given me more hope than I’ve had in a long time.
I know he’s a Dem Soc but the fact he was elected at all against millions supporting his opposition gives me a little hope the establishment propaganda is losing some effectiveness.
Sure, but you need to do better than face ICE head-on.
… coming from a point of absolutely no momentum or preparation or even willingness for that at all, to top it off.
What makes a martyr useful?
Silly costume apparently.
To be clear, I wasn’t just asking a purely rhetorical question. I think there is a real answer and it matters.
My own answer to the question is that a non-violent protestor being martyred is mainly useful because it shows people the futility of clinging only to peaceful protest, because if one side is dogmatically peaceful and the other is not, the other will win. So it’s useful to have them (not that we should be throwing people’s lives away, of course), but acting like we need to just be in the business of endlessly producing martyrs until the people are finally awoken and this means things change without violence is complete nonsense. Martyrs facilitate uprising, and Good is already a martyr, so telling people not to take up arms over Good because they would not become adequate martyrs is simply silly.
It just tend to be
, when ICE was murdering brown people since Obama it was crickets but one white woman and suddenly libs go mad about it.
Non violent successful protest is probably a myth. For instance in the time of mlk those protestors did organize and defend themselves. If I might recommend Nonviolence Ain’t What It Used To Be by Shon Meckfessel. This book explores occupy Wall Street and how the neoliberal state controls the messaging around protest and begs the question as to whether or not the traditional peaceful protest is useful anymore. Given what I have seen in my life I believe it is not. An interesting fact I learned in this book is that one of the famous “peaceful protestors” photos from the era was actually somebody chanting something to the effect of fuck the police and where really angry to see people passively being arrested.