To people? No. That’s their entire business. To their own chain of command? Why Would they be writing fiction about their daily report on what they already were doing, you idiot!?
It’s like saying the Iran coup wasn’t their work, they just ‘leaked’ the fake documents 40 years later.
First of all, watch the ableism. There’s no reason to cast dispersions on innocent people just because you can’t articulate your grievances.
Second, don’t try to delegitimize my point by contrasting it with an unrelated incident such as the Iran coup.
Now, my question is still unanswered. Do you as a leftist with presumably some knowledge of the CIA and their actions trust the CIA not to falsify documents that they know are going to be released to the public? If your claim is that the chain of command keeps them honest then perhaps we should ask about that. Do you trust the US federal government not to falsify documents with the understanding that it will provide a niche to wedge their opposition apart from?
Did you read what you wrote before hitting ‘post’?
How is the Iran coup unrelated? Both of these activities were CIA psyop missions. Both were documented internally and then later declassified under the ‘freedom of information act’.
And in this particular case, the articles and propaganda produced by these CIA-funded ‘leftist’ media outlets are there. So you can double-check if the contents of these articles matches the objectives mentioned in the files.
Your commenting pattern is so weird, comrade. Gave me one more reason to hate the broad term ‘leftist’. Especially in the west.
No matter how much you try to find a ‘gotcha’ moment, I am a materialist. I don’t make claims that can’t be backed up by logic, reason, and the existing historical evidence.
Oh really? Well, no true materialist would refuse the opportunity to flex their theory. So please, show your work. A basic triangular scenario will do fine. I’ll even help.
Here are your predicates
T(x, y) “y should trust x”
I_dec(x, y) “‘x’ has an interest in deceiving ‘y’”
H_dec(x, y) “‘x’ has a history of deceiving ‘y’”
I_hon(x,z) “‘x’ has an interest in being honest to ‘z’”
And you keep omitting the fact that CIA indeed used non-communist leftist writers and movements to spread anti-communist propaganda for decades. Your logic exercise here becomes completely irrelevant after considering the fact that CIA never directly, formally acknowledged doing something like this, but it was caught in their internal documents. As you also ignore the multiple other instances where they applied the same tactic. Look up ‘Congress for Cultural Funding (CCF)’. In your genius mind, the same CIA that has engaged in tactics of mass-spread of anti-soviet, anti-Stalin, anti-Chinese and all sorts of red scare propaganda by funding publication houses and literal movies that even the demsocs and the anarchists took for the truth, would leak a small memo that 2 out 100s of leftist in a small forum on the internet would be bickering about. And to reinstate my previous point, this shit never got leaked! It’s a declassified document, goddammit!
Everyone in this thread can see that you have become desperate to protect your fantasy where CIA were trying to sabotage their own operations by writing fake internal reports to own the left.
Just admit it. You fell for it and became part for the ‘Compatible Left’.
To people? No. That’s their entire business. To their own chain of command? Why Would they be writing fiction about their daily report on what they already were doing, you idiot!?
It’s like saying the Iran coup wasn’t their work, they just ‘leaked’ the fake documents 40 years later.
First of all, watch the ableism. There’s no reason to cast dispersions on innocent people just because you can’t articulate your grievances.
Second, don’t try to delegitimize my point by contrasting it with an unrelated incident such as the Iran coup.
Now, my question is still unanswered. Do you as a leftist with presumably some knowledge of the CIA and their actions trust the CIA not to falsify documents that they know are going to be released to the public? If your claim is that the chain of command keeps them honest then perhaps we should ask about that. Do you trust the US federal government not to falsify documents with the understanding that it will provide a niche to wedge their opposition apart from?
Did you read what you wrote before hitting ‘post’?
How is the Iran coup unrelated? Both of these activities were CIA psyop missions. Both were documented internally and then later declassified under the ‘freedom of information act’.
And in this particular case, the articles and propaganda produced by these CIA-funded ‘leftist’ media outlets are there. So you can double-check if the contents of these articles matches the objectives mentioned in the files.
And it didn’t only stop at Mexico.
Your commenting pattern is so weird, comrade. Gave me one more reason to hate the broad term ‘leftist’. Especially in the west.
No matter how much you try to find a ‘gotcha’ moment, I am a materialist. I don’t make claims that can’t be backed up by logic, reason, and the existing historical evidence.
Oh really? Well, no true materialist would refuse the opportunity to flex their theory. So please, show your work. A basic triangular scenario will do fine. I’ll even help.
Here are your predicates
T(x, y) “y should trust x”
I_dec(x, y) “‘x’ has an interest in deceiving ‘y’”
H_dec(x, y) “‘x’ has a history of deceiving ‘y’”
I_hon(x,z) “‘x’ has an interest in being honest to ‘z’”
Go ahead, basic logic.
And you keep omitting the fact that CIA indeed used non-communist leftist writers and movements to spread anti-communist propaganda for decades. Your logic exercise here becomes completely irrelevant after considering the fact that CIA never directly, formally acknowledged doing something like this, but it was caught in their internal documents. As you also ignore the multiple other instances where they applied the same tactic. Look up ‘Congress for Cultural Funding (CCF)’. In your genius mind, the same CIA that has engaged in tactics of mass-spread of anti-soviet, anti-Stalin, anti-Chinese and all sorts of red scare propaganda by funding publication houses and literal movies that even the demsocs and the anarchists took for the truth, would leak a small memo that 2 out 100s of leftist in a small forum on the internet would be bickering about. And to reinstate my previous point, this shit never got leaked! It’s a declassified document, goddammit!
Everyone in this thread can see that you have become desperate to protect your fantasy where CIA were trying to sabotage their own operations by writing fake internal reports to own the left.
Just admit it. You fell for it and became part for the ‘Compatible Left’.
Again, ableism. Cut it out.
Your entire argument seems to rest on the US government being honest.
Again, do you trust the US government?
What is this account?