Gotta counter the Lemmygrad propaganda going on here lately.
All Western Leftists: Achieve literally nothing
Western Anarchist: The real problem right now is that Communists will kill us
I refuse to believe any infighting like this, before even 1% of socialism has been achieved, isn’t fedposting. We can discuss whatever, but why have a real fight about the kind of socialism before we escape the concentration camp? There’s just no good reason.
What do you mean by “Literally nothing”?
If the standard of success is the maintenance of a state then anarchism will by definition never succeed. But if the standard of success is making the world better then you will need to change your perspective to be able to see the work of anarchists.
Our motto is security culture. If there were big glaring examples to point to then we wouldn’t exactly be good anarchists. ;p
I’m not talking of ‘state maintenance’ or QoL or whatever. I mean in terms of progressing western society out of its current fascist state, which I very much believe to be a fundamental part of achieving basically any definition of socialism and/or anarchism (beyond tiny communes). It seems like Fascism/Capitalism has as strong a hold as it ever did, and any slow crumbling its doing is just from its inherent contradictions.
I can point to nothing at all that suggests any leftists are making steady progress to actual change.
Do we all not share the largest hurdle of achieving any meaningful societal progress - booting our current fascistic societal structure to the curb?
Cool story but this is actually what happened to the most of the Anarchist horizontal/decentralized movements.
But it’s always nice to see anarchists regurgitate the same anti-communist propaganda that the right-wing does, because it further proves that they are indeed part of the ‘Compatible Left’ and possess no threat to the capitalists like the organized Marxists do.
“Compatible left” is an interesting choice of words. It comes from CIA documents if I remember correctly.
I have a question. Do you trust the CIA?
Internal documents? Yes.
And do you trust the CIA not to lie about that?
Because if I were a fed I would probably leak false internal memos filled with bad information.
There’s a difference between ‘leaked’ documents and ‘declassified’ documents. For example, CIA recruited non-communist leftist writers and intellectuals in Mexico .
Do you trust the CIA not to lie?
To people? No. That’s their entire business. To their own chain of command? Why Would they be writing fiction about their daily report on what they already were doing, you idiot!?
It’s like saying the Iran coup wasn’t their work, they just ‘leaked’ the fake documents 40 years later.
First of all, watch the ableism. There’s no reason to cast dispersions on innocent people just because you can’t articulate your grievances.
Second, don’t try to delegitimize my point by contrasting it with an unrelated incident such as the Iran coup.
Now, my question is still unanswered. Do you as a leftist with presumably some knowledge of the CIA and their actions trust the CIA not to falsify documents that they know are going to be released to the public? If your claim is that the chain of command keeps them honest then perhaps we should ask about that. Do you trust the US federal government not to falsify documents with the understanding that it will provide a niche to wedge their opposition apart from?
