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Remember to keep protesting peacefully! Violence is what Trump wants! He somehow can’t just make shit up and do whatever he wants if we make no threats and have no demands!
Do you think when he goes through with this that people will finally realize that the military are not the good guys?
Browsing the Minnesota subreddit, there are still an overwhelming majority of people that seem to think that the local cops or even the national guard would help protect them from ICE, because “they are our neighbors” or that the higher ups may be a problem but the lower rank and file are “just ordinary Americans” who would obviously never follow an unjust order against their own community/countrymen. Some may persist in deep denial, but I think there’s a lot of people that are ripe for radicalization as soon as they find out these people are not there to protect you, will not protect you, and absolutely will follow any orders they are given. They are not on our side and people really need to see that for themselves first hand. They are about to.
the military is the last state institution with high levels of trust across the political spectrum. destroying that will have hilarious consequences
A lot less will like the military, yes. Whether that’s more than the people who are like “the military was just given bad orders” or “the military was great for crushing them!” is yet to be seen.
It will be the former, but the cognitive dissonance will be strong and hopefully manifest into future radicalization
Does this ever stop escalating?
Where is the steam valve to let off pressure from this?
Yea, it stops escalating when white people learn to embrace the new Gestapo and go back to work while everyone else is terrorized by ICE. Maybe I’m just feeling cynical but I think nothing will happen without active organization of this energy.
Maybe I’m just feeling cynical but I think nothing will happen without active organization of this energy.
People like to throw out “cynic” as a thought-terminating cliche against ideas they find scary, ideas that conflict directly with their own idiosyncratic idealism.
A material analysis of present conditions leads the vast majority of Hexbears to see that this shit is going to get exceptionally worse before it has even the faintest chance of getting better. That’s not being cynical, it’s just called the immortal science of dialectical materialism.
This dialectical materialism is a real bummer. Can we go back to “hope” and “change”?
Even if that happened there would be continued escaltation. Fascism cannot stop escalating.
A dialectical spiral, I suppose
There’s no steam valve in the US anymore - except perhaps delusions like crypto or meme stocks or whatever new scheme that can give people hope that they personally can grab enough cash to escape.
The only thing holding this together the complete inability for the people in the US to step out of line without it ruining them. Its pure atomization here. Everyone knows its bad, but what are they going to do not go to work? Then it will be worse for them individually. Which sounds like an indictment of them, but they are absolutely correct. There is no help for anyone here. They aren’t going to find support anywhere.
The population has been made politically illiterate through state propganda/education system. Even in colleges here. I majored in history and Marx was never talked about.
Obviously contridictions are sharpening, which is positive, but there is a lot to overcome in the US. Its not just “hey you need to organize.” Of course that is true, but even in these conditions - there are limits to what can be accomplished here. The revolutionary left was wiped out in this country by the end of 70’s. Couple that with extreme atomization of the US and you can understand the challenges the left has.
The ruling class whether they understood it or not, made a choice in 2016 and 2020. Bernie presented an option of recognition that the empire was over and we could wind down and decline in stability by offering concessions to the prolitariat with imperial spoils. Instead they presented to public with two different delusional visions of imperial future. The ruling class chose barbarism and there is no escape from that decision, only confrontation and escaltation.
Not trying to sound doomer about this. As this goes on it will lead to conditions where more positive outcomes are possible for more of humanity. I do think the US will get to positive outcomes later than the rest of the world. But a better world is not only possible - people are living it in AES, and they are building it every day in those nations. Communism will win.
Went really long with this, but its just a lot of stuff that’s been on my mind
So if it doesn’t stop escalating where does this go?
The left is not in a position to do a revolution, but if it won’t stop escalating then those conditions will come whether or not the left is ready for it.
What happens during those conditions is very important for the left. A natural conflict between the population and the state will bubble over into crackdowns and the left may be a target of those crackdowns.
If the left is unprepared to take hold of the moment, then the left needs to buckle down and protect itself so that it survives the moment without being crushed, so that it will survive to be large enough for the next one.
Nah, we gotta go into the fight. There is no buckle down and wait. Climate change is the real final boss and we can’t even touch it until Empire is on his knees.
The odds are not really in our favor, but we can’t wait out the ethnic cleansing of America. Our best chance is now while America is on the verge of losing its white majority. White folks really need to step it up right here and now. We didn’t break the slavers chains by being cowards.
If you can’t win this fight the result will be the full force of the US government being used to destroy the orgs and arrest all leading members. It will be Chile all over again.
The correct move if you can’t win is to bunker down and survive. There’s no nobility in charging into a battle you already know you’ll lose. If the left isn’t ready to win yet that can’t be changed.
I’m glad I don’t take advice from liberals
Obviously we have to make sensible plans based on our actual capabilities, but surrendering now because things are starting to heat up is pure cowardice. We have our work cut out for us if this is what passes for left in the US sheesh
Ehh it’s your country and your movement. I’m just saying that it’s incredibly fucking easy for Trump to go the Pinochet route and round up all the communist organisers and start shooting you in the head or throwing you out of helicopters or whatever. Do that to 1500 people and the american left that’s still in its infancy is dead and won’t be back for another 20 years. Chile left was massive and Pinochet had to do it to 30,000 organisers, the american left is nothing by comparison.
I would prefer that you take care to avoid that. I like some of you.
Yeah i agree. I think that the act of survival will be the revolutionary left’s opportunity to grow. Not by direct confrontation with the enemy or the government, but by supporting and protecting the people trying to survive this. That’s the only way i see atomization being overcome in the US on a large scale because it it truely so extreme here.
That’s the neat part! There really isn’t one anymore.
real question - would the military follow these orders? between this and greenland is anyone in the military thinking ‘transitional junta’ yet? what would it take?
Yes, the the US military will follow these orders. They will not sieze control of the government over illegal and obviously outlandish orders. They’re going to do exactly as told. They may shuffle their feet on the streets of Minneapolis and reporters will do stories like “we talked to soldiers - they say they don’t want to be here doing this.” Libs will eat it up and scream “we support da trooooops”
We didn’t see much resistance from the national guard.
they also weren’t really doing anything. if they’re in MN under the insurrection act they’re going to have to actively oppress some folks, and it’s going to happen on camera.
They didn’t really do anything the last time Trump called them, but when Walz called them on BLM protestors, they absolutely participated in the brutalization. They could be seen marching down the streets and shooting (less lethal) rounds at people filming them from their doorways.
That’s a fair point. Sucks we’ll have to “wait and see”
Every single person in this country is just going with whatever their favored news source tells them
Liberal military shitheads might do something if CNN/WAPO/ETC tell them they need to, the outright hog troops are just going to believe whatever the Trump line is
Re-reading Elites, Masses, and Rebels at times like these goes from reassuring to horrifying.
People are going to go along with this, and to what extent am I also joining in on lying to myself? We live in a society.
So dems, how’s that “be good for daddy GOP” strategy working out for you?
Better to fight them here than over there.
I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
