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Yea, it stops escalating when white people learn to embrace the new Gestapo and go back to work while everyone else is terrorized by ICE. Maybe I’m just feeling cynical but I think nothing will happen without active organization of this energy.
Maybe I’m just feeling cynical but I think nothing will happen without active organization of this energy.
People like to throw out “cynic” as a thought-terminating cliche against ideas they find scary, ideas that conflict directly with their own idiosyncratic idealism.
A material analysis of present conditions leads the vast majority of Hexbears to see that this shit is going to get exceptionally worse before it has even the faintest chance of getting better. That’s not being cynical, it’s just called the immortal science of dialectical materialism.
There’s no steam valve in the US anymore - except perhaps delusions like crypto or meme stocks or whatever new scheme that can give people hope that they personally can grab enough cash to escape.
The only thing holding this together the complete inability for the people in the US to step out of line without it ruining them. Its pure atomization here. Everyone knows its bad, but what are they going to do not go to work? Then it will be worse for them individually. Which sounds like an indictment of them, but they are absolutely correct. There is no help for anyone here. They aren’t going to find support anywhere.
The population has been made politically illiterate through state propganda/education system. Even in colleges here. I majored in history and Marx was never talked about.
Obviously contridictions are sharpening, which is positive, but there is a lot to overcome in the US. Its not just “hey you need to organize.” Of course that is true, but even in these conditions - there are limits to what can be accomplished here. The revolutionary left was wiped out in this country by the end of 70’s. Couple that with extreme atomization of the US and you can understand the challenges the left has.
The ruling class whether they understood it or not, made a choice in 2016 and 2020. Bernie presented an option of recognition that the empire was over and we could wind down and decline in stability by offering concessions to the prolitariat with imperial spoils. Instead they presented to public with two different delusional visions of imperial future. The ruling class chose barbarism and there is no escape from that decision, only confrontation and escaltation.
Not trying to sound doomer about this. As this goes on it will lead to conditions where more positive outcomes are possible for more of humanity. I do think the US will get to positive outcomes later than the rest of the world. But a better world is not only possible - people are living it in AES, and they are building it every day in those nations. Communism will win.
Went really long with this, but its just a lot of stuff that’s been on my mind
So if it doesn’t stop escalating where does this go?
The left is not in a position to do a revolution, but if it won’t stop escalating then those conditions will come whether or not the left is ready for it.
What happens during those conditions is very important for the left. A natural conflict between the population and the state will bubble over into crackdowns and the left may be a target of those crackdowns.
If the left is unprepared to take hold of the moment, then the left needs to buckle down and protect itself so that it survives the moment without being crushed, so that it will survive to be large enough for the next one.
Nah, we gotta go into the fight. There is no buckle down and wait. Climate change is the real final boss and we can’t even touch it until Empire is on his knees.
The odds are not really in our favor, but we can’t wait out the ethnic cleansing of America. Our best chance is now while America is on the verge of losing its white majority. White folks really need to step it up right here and now. We didn’t break the slavers chains by being cowards.
If you can’t win this fight the result will be the full force of the US government being used to destroy the orgs and arrest all leading members. It will be Chile all over again.
The correct move if you can’t win is to bunker down and survive. There’s no nobility in charging into a battle you already know you’ll lose. If the left isn’t ready to win yet that can’t be changed.
Obviously we have to make sensible plans based on our actual capabilities, but surrendering now because things are starting to heat up is pure cowardice. We have our work cut out for us if this is what passes for left in the US sheesh
Ehh it’s your country and your movement. I’m just saying that it’s incredibly fucking easy for Trump to go the Pinochet route and round up all the communist organisers and start shooting you in the head or throwing you out of helicopters or whatever. Do that to 1500 people and the american left that’s still in its infancy is dead and won’t be back for another 20 years. Chile left was massive and Pinochet had to do it to 30,000 organisers, the american left is nothing by comparison.
I would prefer that you take care to avoid that. I like some of you.
Yeah i agree. I think that the act of survival will be the revolutionary left’s opportunity to grow. Not by direct confrontation with the enemy or the government, but by supporting and protecting the people trying to survive this. That’s the only way i see atomization being overcome in the US on a large scale because it it truely so extreme here.
Does this ever stop escalating?
Where is the steam valve to let off pressure from this?
Yea, it stops escalating when white people learn to embrace the new Gestapo and go back to work while everyone else is terrorized by ICE. Maybe I’m just feeling cynical but I think nothing will happen without active organization of this energy.
People like to throw out “cynic” as a thought-terminating cliche against ideas they find scary, ideas that conflict directly with their own idiosyncratic idealism.
A material analysis of present conditions leads the vast majority of Hexbears to see that this shit is going to get exceptionally worse before it has even the faintest chance of getting better. That’s not being cynical, it’s just called the immortal science of dialectical materialism.
This dialectical materialism is a real bummer. Can we go back to “hope” and “change”?
Even if that happened there would be continued escaltation. Fascism cannot stop escalating.
A dialectical spiral, I suppose
There’s no steam valve in the US anymore - except perhaps delusions like crypto or meme stocks or whatever new scheme that can give people hope that they personally can grab enough cash to escape.
The only thing holding this together the complete inability for the people in the US to step out of line without it ruining them. Its pure atomization here. Everyone knows its bad, but what are they going to do not go to work? Then it will be worse for them individually. Which sounds like an indictment of them, but they are absolutely correct. There is no help for anyone here. They aren’t going to find support anywhere.
The population has been made politically illiterate through state propganda/education system. Even in colleges here. I majored in history and Marx was never talked about.
Obviously contridictions are sharpening, which is positive, but there is a lot to overcome in the US. Its not just “hey you need to organize.” Of course that is true, but even in these conditions - there are limits to what can be accomplished here. The revolutionary left was wiped out in this country by the end of 70’s. Couple that with extreme atomization of the US and you can understand the challenges the left has.
The ruling class whether they understood it or not, made a choice in 2016 and 2020. Bernie presented an option of recognition that the empire was over and we could wind down and decline in stability by offering concessions to the prolitariat with imperial spoils. Instead they presented to public with two different delusional visions of imperial future. The ruling class chose barbarism and there is no escape from that decision, only confrontation and escaltation.
Not trying to sound doomer about this. As this goes on it will lead to conditions where more positive outcomes are possible for more of humanity. I do think the US will get to positive outcomes later than the rest of the world. But a better world is not only possible - people are living it in AES, and they are building it every day in those nations. Communism will win.
Went really long with this, but its just a lot of stuff that’s been on my mind
So if it doesn’t stop escalating where does this go?
The left is not in a position to do a revolution, but if it won’t stop escalating then those conditions will come whether or not the left is ready for it.
What happens during those conditions is very important for the left. A natural conflict between the population and the state will bubble over into crackdowns and the left may be a target of those crackdowns.
If the left is unprepared to take hold of the moment, then the left needs to buckle down and protect itself so that it survives the moment without being crushed, so that it will survive to be large enough for the next one.
Nah, we gotta go into the fight. There is no buckle down and wait. Climate change is the real final boss and we can’t even touch it until Empire is on his knees.
The odds are not really in our favor, but we can’t wait out the ethnic cleansing of America. Our best chance is now while America is on the verge of losing its white majority. White folks really need to step it up right here and now. We didn’t break the slavers chains by being cowards.
If you can’t win this fight the result will be the full force of the US government being used to destroy the orgs and arrest all leading members. It will be Chile all over again.
The correct move if you can’t win is to bunker down and survive. There’s no nobility in charging into a battle you already know you’ll lose. If the left isn’t ready to win yet that can’t be changed.
I’m glad I don’t take advice from liberals
Obviously we have to make sensible plans based on our actual capabilities, but surrendering now because things are starting to heat up is pure cowardice. We have our work cut out for us if this is what passes for left in the US sheesh
Ehh it’s your country and your movement. I’m just saying that it’s incredibly fucking easy for Trump to go the Pinochet route and round up all the communist organisers and start shooting you in the head or throwing you out of helicopters or whatever. Do that to 1500 people and the american left that’s still in its infancy is dead and won’t be back for another 20 years. Chile left was massive and Pinochet had to do it to 30,000 organisers, the american left is nothing by comparison.
I would prefer that you take care to avoid that. I like some of you.
Yeah i agree. I think that the act of survival will be the revolutionary left’s opportunity to grow. Not by direct confrontation with the enemy or the government, but by supporting and protecting the people trying to survive this. That’s the only way i see atomization being overcome in the US on a large scale because it it truely so extreme here.
That’s the neat part! There really isn’t one anymore.