Tankie Bingo! - sh.itjust.works
sh.itjust.works
Had some fun with this. Rules: 1. When a tankie post comes up, post a legitimate, fair argument. Do not argue in bad faith. No matter how nasty the post may be. Legitimately combat the disinformation there by going into their bubble and posting a sane response. 2. Watch the responses come in. Especially if the post is on the tankie triad. 3. Don’t feed the trolls. Don’t respond to anything, unless there is actually a legitimate attempt to have a legitimate discussion. Otherwise, start a game of tankie bingo to help prevent yourself from responding to the madness. Suggestions for expansion welcome. EDIT: well, to the surprise of no one, it’s made its way to the slop community at Hexbear. Aaaand again, they totally miss the glaringly obvious point. (Sorry for the double post, sometimes I’m too stupid to use the internet)

Came across this because of the other thread @LemmySlopSkimmer@hexbear.net posted. This user is the lowest Nazi garbage, yet claims to be a leftist with good intentions.

What is the “right” way for Palestinians to resist Israel? How should they fight back? Please, paint a picture for me in a way that shows how they can effectively stop Israel from killing more people, and stealing ever more land, until the Palestinians have been completely wiped out.

Response from goat cw extreme Zionism and imperialism apologia, SV

don’tremoved, don’t carry out terrorism on innocent civilians

The right way was using the internet and global attention, which Palestine was doing, raising awareness of how they are suffering and gaining sympathy for it. They should’ve adopted more Western ideals, or maybe liberalism, encourage foreigners to come and stay. The West Bank and Gaza near Rafah were also doing decently well in terms of growth, labelling itself as a trendy tourist destination.

Unfortunately, Hamas decided thatremoved women and killing innocent civilians was a better method of resistance, even going so far as to film themselves carrying out the massacre and taking hostages – Which incurred the Israeli military and ended up with Gaza being turned to rubble. Sure, people are much more aware of Palestine now, but only the most radical of “progressives” think Israel can be defeated and that Palestine can do no wrong. These people are vocal minorities and hold no power.

The whole relationship between Israel and the US isn’t as buddy-buddy as people think it is. Israel previously attacked US forces and regularly threatens US personnel. No clue what goes on behind the scenes, but clearly Israel has something major on the US, or the US sees Israel as a base for Middle-East operations and considers the chaos that comes with it as a necessary sacrifice. Or maybe it’s both, or maybe it’s neither.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      1 day ago

      These people are making the same mistake I did for a long while, which is assuming Israel is acting in good faith and that there must be a way to reach them as people; the attempt to reach them as people was literally the two intifadas which both started peacefully, had people being shot including medics, journalists, (UN workers?), and even wheelchair bound people, and extreme violence by the IDF is what turned them violent.

      I made the mistake of thinking I knew some method they could try that might reach Israelis and not considering that I’m not some master genius or the Palestinians unable to think of the same; Palestinians have tried everything I can suggest and more, and the reality is Israel isn’t acting in good faith because Israelis know intrinsically what they are: settler colonists; they know they’re there to steal the land, so why should they care about the humanity of Palestinians? If anything it would be a detriment to their goals.

      People keep assuming Palestinians should have tried this or should have tried that; first of all, they don’t need to try anything, it’s THEIR home that got stolen and not a country on earth is going to let others tell them to be patient with the people murdering them and driving them out, so why should the Palestinians? And secondly, none of us are these amazing, wondrous geniuses that we can come up with solutions the Palestinians didn’t; they’re people like anyone else and they’ve thought and tried it out long before many of us were even born, the issue always comes back to the Israelis who are NOT acting in good faith, and who CAN’T be reasoned with.

      As for “They should’ve adopted more Western ideals”: don’t these same people think October 7 was a genocide against Israelis? Sounds like they tried adopting Western ideals and it didn’t pan out; you need endless weapons shipments from America to successfully implement Western ideals, which is why Israel is very good at being a Western country.

      Also, ‘encourage foreigners to come and stay’; they did; tons of foreigners go over to the West Bank and are horrified by what’s happening there. There’s a Christian priest whose videos I come across from time to time on youtube who talked about going somewhere in Palestine (the West Bank? Bethlehem?) and being mobbed by Palestinians all begging him to tell the world about what’s happening to them; you had a US president who went to the West Bank and realized how badly the people there are treated (Carter maybe?); tons of priests who go over there and realize the people there are being viciously oppressed, etc; everyone who’s gone there has seen how horrific the lives of Palestinians are and it changed nothing.

      People like the guy making the post are either ignorant or racist; the Palestinian people have tried EVERYTHING and none of it has worked because Israel is not acting in good faith.