I just read some of the comments in the first thread you linked and whew. It’s just thoughtless lib regurgitation countered by pages of material analysis which elicit no response or the most milquetoast “interesting!” from people who will clearly never click a single resource linked
All I can say is, infinite flowers for the comrades posting on the frontlines of the war on brainworms
This particular exchange will live in my head rent free forever.
Presents basic argument
Receives basic response justified by very simple theory
Goes on rant about how the concept of even having political theory at all is bad and limits your perspective
Academics hate this one simple trick to never having to read anything: have you considered that thinking about things ahead of time and writing down your observations is tyranny?
rofl… perfect libbrained response… I, a man of culture, do not subscribe to any particular viewpoint at any given time as that would limit my mental gymnastics
Why do these people always have the same insufferable tone of “I refuse to engage with your arguments, not because I don’t understand them or don’t have anything meaningful to respond with, but because I am at a higher level of evolution than you simpletons. Having no opinions is the ultimate proof of intellectual rigour” grhshahhshd
Because they think intelligence and being a “good person” are inherent traits that they are born with, and the NPCs on the internet forum they are arguing with are just bad guys who need to be “beaten”. They don’t examine their own position and consider it because they don’t have a position, they are just inherently correct.
They even ask rhetorical questions as if to suggest a specific argument that they don’t want to make outright, but then never have the courtesy to type out the argument they wanted to make once their questions are answered. Like, they asked “So China and Russia aren’t authoritarianisms? [sic]” implying that they do think China and Russia are authoritarian, but when faced with a counterargument they don’t try to explain why the thing they believe stands up against that counterargument and make the implicit thing from the question explicit; instead they just start mocking the interlocutor without offering any response or counterargument. So exhausting and annoying.
I’m pretty convinced that most of the worst internet behaviour is linked to poor dopamine regulation. They just want that sweet hit of satisfaction from the “gotcha” moment, the feeling of “winning” without having to expend any effort. When it’s called out they have nowhere to go other than trying to “win” again with a more extreme/absurd “gotcha”.
Yeah that’s definitely consistent with the behavior shown on this thread. People deploy arguments that I can’t imagine are actually supposed to be persuasive because they have absolutely 0 convincing content behind them. It feels almost as if they’re only doing it for the performance of arguing, not for the prospect of arriving at a better understanding of something or convincing someone else.
Debatebro culture has a lot to answer for. And twitter, for that matter. Before that at least most political arguments online were somewhat long-form in my experience. (I grew up on the Gaiaonline “Extended Discussion” boards lmao.) Now it’s all about trying to shut it down as definitively as possible within an arbitrarily small character limit. Hexbear is genuinely the only place I see anyone engaging in lengthy discussion nowadays
I just read some of the comments in the first thread you linked and whew. It’s just thoughtless lib regurgitation countered by pages of material analysis which elicit no response or the most milquetoast “interesting!” from people who will clearly never click a single resource linked
All I can say is, infinite flowers for the comrades posting on the frontlines of the war on brainworms
This particular exchange will live in my head rent free forever.
Academics hate this one simple trick to never having to read anything: have you considered that thinking about things ahead of time and writing down your observations is tyranny?
rofl… perfect libbrained response… I, a man of culture, do not subscribe to any particular viewpoint at any given time as that would limit my mental gymnastics
Why do these people always have the same insufferable tone of “I refuse to engage with your arguments, not because I don’t understand them or don’t have anything meaningful to respond with, but because I am at a higher level of evolution than you simpletons. Having no opinions is the ultimate proof of intellectual rigour” grhshahhshd
Because they think intelligence and being a “good person” are inherent traits that they are born with, and the NPCs on the internet forum they are arguing with are just bad guys who need to be “beaten”. They don’t examine their own position and consider it because they don’t have a position, they are just inherently correct.
They even ask rhetorical questions as if to suggest a specific argument that they don’t want to make outright, but then never have the courtesy to type out the argument they wanted to make once their questions are answered. Like, they asked “So China and Russia aren’t authoritarianisms? [sic]” implying that they do think China and Russia are authoritarian, but when faced with a counterargument they don’t try to explain why the thing they believe stands up against that counterargument and make the implicit thing from the question explicit; instead they just start mocking the interlocutor without offering any response or counterargument. So exhausting and annoying.
I’m pretty convinced that most of the worst internet behaviour is linked to poor dopamine regulation. They just want that sweet hit of satisfaction from the “gotcha” moment, the feeling of “winning” without having to expend any effort. When it’s called out they have nowhere to go other than trying to “win” again with a more extreme/absurd “gotcha”.
Yeah that’s definitely consistent with the behavior shown on this thread. People deploy arguments that I can’t imagine are actually supposed to be persuasive because they have absolutely 0 convincing content behind them. It feels almost as if they’re only doing it for the performance of arguing, not for the prospect of arriving at a better understanding of something or convincing someone else.
Debatebro culture has a lot to answer for. And twitter, for that matter. Before that at least most political arguments online were somewhat long-form in my experience. (I grew up on the Gaiaonline “Extended Discussion” boards lmao.) Now it’s all about trying to shut it down as definitively as possible within an arbitrarily small character limit. Hexbear is genuinely the only place I see anyone engaging in lengthy discussion nowadays