Frankly I think it’s ironic you’re accusing me of “Curtians are just blue” type shit when that’s precisely what I think you and all the other “Frieren is racist” leftists are doing, obsessing over in-lore aesthetics and tortured interpretations of presentation while completely missing the subtext and allegorical themes of what the Demons are supposed to represent, which sure as shit isn’t black people, Jews or whatever you all seem to be implying
The allegory of uncaring aristocrats bound by blood to commit genocide and colonialism, may contain problematic elements, but it doesn’t prove your accusation that the series is attempting to normalize racism
Do you know actually know what I’m talking about? Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just looking to get mad because I’m criticising a show you like? If you want to accuse me of overanalysing, fine, but don’t also claim I’m refusing to analyse at the same time, that’s just incoherent.
I’m not saying you can’t like the show, I’m saying it has some problematic elements that actively harm the storytelling. And those some problematic elements have attracted a lot of fascists to the show’s fanbase, because the way the demons are talked about in the show is the exact same way they want people to think about minorities. Is the show itself being racist? No, the demons aren’t a direct stand in for any real world group, but the way they are talked about in the show is exactly how hate groups talk about minorities.
The show literally has a scene that shows us what happens when a demon child is raised by people: The demon will just kill them, because it is their nature to destroy people. They look like humans, but only to fool people into letting their guard down. Not because of some magical mumbo jumbo, but because they literally evolved to be destructive monsters whose only goal is to wipe out humanity. Can you not see how this is literally how actual real world groups like nazis talk about their enemies? Can you not see why fascists would love a show that says “some creatures look human, but aren’t really, they just evolved to look human in order to trick people. Our only solution is to exterminate them all, it’s us or them.”
They aren’t aristocrats, they aren’t in charge of this society, they are apart from it and seeking to destroy it from the outside. If they were in charge and actively trying to destroy or control everyone below them, then yeah, they’d be a pretty clear stand in for a parasitic aristocracy, but the show doesn’t treat them like that, it treats them like vermin. It doesn’t treat them as a stand in for real world oppression, they’re just evil because they are born that way.
You look at their fancy clothes and German names (in a setting where everyone dresses like that and has German names) and that’s where your analysis ends? Can you not see how the exact same rhetoric used by the characters in the show about the villains is literally the exact same rhetoric real world hate groups use to justify their violence?
I suppose Ukraine can’t be full of Nazis, because they have a Jewish president, and the US can’t be racist because they elected Obama, right? After all, we should only ever look at surface level stuff, and if they are literally wearing aristocratic clothing, that means they must be aristocrats and represent them and only them and nothing else, and the fascist part of this show’s fanbase just loves the show for no reason, and it totally isn’t a useful tool for them to normalise toxic ideas about real people, even if that wasn’t the original intent.
Frankly I think it’s ironic you’re accusing me of “Curtians are just blue” type shit when that’s precisely what I think you and all the other “Frieren is racist” leftists are doing, obsessing over in-lore aesthetics and tortured interpretations of presentation while completely missing the subtext and allegorical themes of what the Demons are supposed to represent, which sure as shit isn’t black people, Jews or whatever you all seem to be implying
The allegory of uncaring aristocrats bound by blood to commit genocide and colonialism, may contain problematic elements, but it doesn’t prove your accusation that the series is attempting to normalize racism
Do you know actually know what I’m talking about? Did you actually read what I wrote or are you just looking to get mad because I’m criticising a show you like? If you want to accuse me of overanalysing, fine, but don’t also claim I’m refusing to analyse at the same time, that’s just incoherent.
I’m not saying you can’t like the show, I’m saying it has some problematic elements that actively harm the storytelling. And those some problematic elements have attracted a lot of fascists to the show’s fanbase, because the way the demons are talked about in the show is the exact same way they want people to think about minorities. Is the show itself being racist? No, the demons aren’t a direct stand in for any real world group, but the way they are talked about in the show is exactly how hate groups talk about minorities.
The show literally has a scene that shows us what happens when a demon child is raised by people: The demon will just kill them, because it is their nature to destroy people. They look like humans, but only to fool people into letting their guard down. Not because of some magical mumbo jumbo, but because they literally evolved to be destructive monsters whose only goal is to wipe out humanity. Can you not see how this is literally how actual real world groups like nazis talk about their enemies? Can you not see why fascists would love a show that says “some creatures look human, but aren’t really, they just evolved to look human in order to trick people. Our only solution is to exterminate them all, it’s us or them.”
They aren’t aristocrats, they aren’t in charge of this society, they are apart from it and seeking to destroy it from the outside. If they were in charge and actively trying to destroy or control everyone below them, then yeah, they’d be a pretty clear stand in for a parasitic aristocracy, but the show doesn’t treat them like that, it treats them like vermin. It doesn’t treat them as a stand in for real world oppression, they’re just evil because they are born that way.
You look at their fancy clothes and German names (in a setting where everyone dresses like that and has German names) and that’s where your analysis ends? Can you not see how the exact same rhetoric used by the characters in the show about the villains is literally the exact same rhetoric real world hate groups use to justify their violence?
I suppose Ukraine can’t be full of Nazis, because they have a Jewish president, and the US can’t be racist because they elected Obama, right? After all, we should only ever look at surface level stuff, and if they are literally wearing aristocratic clothing, that means they must be aristocrats and represent them and only them and nothing else, and the fascist part of this show’s fanbase just loves the show for no reason, and it totally isn’t a useful tool for them to normalise toxic ideas about real people, even if that wasn’t the original intent.