inane gender-war slop/cope. there’s a surplus of liberal/tender men for liberal white women, but compatibility/attraction is not reducible to agreement on a set of prepositions; people are not connecting for many reasons, and women not having the speaker’s politics is not one of them.
if this guy is not getting locked down, it’s because he looks and is annoying.
this reply is cope. his comments are not commenting on whether or not he’s getting with women which is strange you’d bring that up but rather on the overlap of politics between liberals (democrats) and liberals (conservatives). compatability is also very much related to a set of core values which our current political climate highlights: you are either someone who supports the basic rights of everyone or you are someone who is a supremacist of some sort and supports only the rights of your groups. it is not just a political stance but a core moral stance which for most people is fundamental to compatibility and attraction. so unless you are saying you’d have no problem being a relationship with a nazi idk wtf you are on
Nah attraction is more complicated than that. The core values idea is also too static. People change each other over the course of their relationship. I started out thinking the best way to evaluate partners was vibes-based, then took a hard turn to some cold core-values-based analysis, but came back to vibes-based. People are much more than the constellation of beliefs that they hold at a particular time.
The usual objection to this is that if peoples’ core values change then those simply weren’t core values. To which I will reply that we are fundamentally a couple pounds of fat sitting in a dark container of bone. Core values are not things that actually exist within that cavern.
so you could be with a nazi so long as they didnt give off nazi vibes, is what you are effectively saying. so long as they are a chill nazi who arent like super into
frankly i find the " ship of theseus" of core values argument asinine and ridiculous
i get the feeling that a lot of people in here are somewhat young. im in my 40s and have been with my spouse for 20+ years. ive seen plenty of divorces of friends and family. let me tell you, core values becomes a huge issue after a few years together. ive seen it end marriages altogether. attraction dies, resentment builds. there really is no overcoming it once you hit that brick wall
It’s hard to take someone out of a position of willing and conscious selfishness - which is what Nazism is.
At least Liberals and Conservatives lie to themselves that they want the best for other people. They have an unstable belief system that can change in a number of directions.
If someone is the kind of person who says, nah fuck other people I want more for myself at their expense - then that is a stable moral position. It is a value system that is expensive to reeducate people out of.
Then to think that you can shack up with such a person based on vibes and chemistry, and that what? Do you think you can fix them? You want to bring them into your life? Someone who will say “better dead than red”…
On another point. You brought up the idea of Nazism being intrinsic yourself. @laughinglion did no such thing.
You talk about debate-bro-ing, but you need to study logical fallacies and meditate on when you yourself engage in them.
In this case you committed the strawman fallacy.
I’m going to try to see how your mind could have made such a leap that seems to me to be very absurd.
Here is my best shot:
You took his statement about someone who is currently in the state of “Nazi” and his statement about the absurdity of mutating from that state to another, and you extrapolated backwards to the original state (birth). Hence, your counterargument is that people aren’t born Nazis.
His point was simply:
Dating Nazis is not a good idea.
Rationalizing dating Nazis is silly.
Ideating that you could make that work is silly.
The claim that it is silly to think you can fix a Nazi, is different than the claim that Nazis have an immutable state of personality, which is itself different than the claim that when a particular state is immutable - that all prior states were also immutable.
his comments are not commenting on whether or not he’s getting with women which is strange you’d bring that up
its not strange, it seems like the best explanation as to why he has the need to mansplain about why women can’t find partners, for lack of comparatively sufficient virtue. if this guy were MAGA coded, and said exactly the same lines about women white liberal women selfishly only thinking about themselves, as an unsolicited explanation for why these kind of women are single/alone, no one would struggle to see it as a massive cope post, from a guy who was just rejected by exactly that kind of woman.
so unless you are saying you’d have no problem being a relationship with a nazi idk wtf you are on
you’re missing the point. there are many, many men who have the same core values/moral stances as white liberal feminist women. whether or not that’s a necessary condition for partnership, it’s obviously not a sufficient condition.
apparently he did need to explain it because you still dont get it and no, it doesnt work from a maga perspective because the analysis is saying that democrats and republicans are the same except when it comes to abortion rights more or less. maga is absolutely never going to make that analysis in any way shape or form. hes not saying just liberal women think about themselves, hes saying all liberals think about themselves. it is an ideology of selfishness in general.
you say im missing the point but then you agree with me and the dude in the video. there are many women who have the same core values at the liberals. liberal values that are common to all liberals whether they are the flavor that openly hates minorities or the flavor that secretly hates them.
They don’t even have to hate minorities, often they fetishize them and mistake that festishization as understanding and respect (like trans chasers).
The key thing is selfishness, and it will come out in their behaviors, usually in not taking criticism that expands outside the immediate effects of their behavior, like buying lots of cloths, wearing them once and then returning all or most of them, or speaking disparagingly about fast food workers.
liberal women have been complaining about conservative men on dating sites for over a decade now. they caught on to “apolitical” a while ago, not sure what the current meta is.
agreement isn’t the only thing but there is a floor for a lot of people.
Based on what right-wing YouTubers are doing, I’d think they’re not labelling themselves at all and avoiding buzzwords like “woke” entirely. Use vaguely anti-establishment phrases like hating corporations. Linking to studies/long form doghshit articles that aren’t good or don’t support their claims in a pseudo-intellectual way. Use IdPol for themselves by claiming POC, disability, LGBTQ status in some tangential way. Try to reframe their views of minorities and pseudoscience as “choice-based”/“tye right to choose” etc.
the author’s contention is that white liberal feminists are not finding partners because they are insufficiently radical in their politics (unlike the virtuous author). are these liberal women you are referring to complaining about men being too radical? is the issue for these women that they haven’t read Capital? are their potential beaus waiting for them, if only they joined a co-op or foods not bombs?
this is a fantasy. there are plenty of liberal men and women. the issue, for these women, and of reduced partnering generally, is not a lack of options, it’s not a lack of a pool of liberal men, if it is really an issue at all. the people not partnering, who are rationalizing their lack of partnering as moral deficiency in the other gender, are deluding themselves about the nature of changing gender roles and expectations, of structure issues defining the dating market, and, mostly, their own attraction and expectations.
liberal women are wrong qua being liberal, and only in the domain of this moral stance. they aren’t wrong because this stance substantially reducing the number of potential life partners they could match with, or not sleeping with the author.
inane gender-war slop/cope. there’s a surplus of liberal/tender men for liberal white women, but compatibility/attraction is not reducible to agreement on a set of prepositions; people are not connecting for many reasons, and women not having the speaker’s politics is not one of them.
if this guy is not getting locked down, it’s because he looks and is annoying.
this reply is cope. his comments are not commenting on whether or not he’s getting with women which is strange you’d bring that up but rather on the overlap of politics between liberals (democrats) and liberals (conservatives). compatability is also very much related to a set of core values which our current political climate highlights: you are either someone who supports the basic rights of everyone or you are someone who is a supremacist of some sort and supports only the rights of your groups. it is not just a political stance but a core moral stance which for most people is fundamental to compatibility and attraction. so unless you are saying you’d have no problem being a relationship with a nazi idk wtf you are on
Nah attraction is more complicated than that. The core values idea is also too static. People change each other over the course of their relationship. I started out thinking the best way to evaluate partners was vibes-based, then took a hard turn to some cold core-values-based analysis, but came back to vibes-based. People are much more than the constellation of beliefs that they hold at a particular time.
The usual objection to this is that if peoples’ core values change then those simply weren’t core values. To which I will reply that we are fundamentally a couple pounds of fat sitting in a dark container of bone. Core values are not things that actually exist within that cavern.
so you could be with a nazi so long as they didnt give off nazi vibes, is what you are effectively saying. so long as they are a chill nazi who arent like super into
frankly i find the " ship of theseus" of core values argument asinine and ridiculous
i get the feeling that a lot of people in here are somewhat young. im in my 40s and have been with my spouse for 20+ years. ive seen plenty of divorces of friends and family. let me tell you, core values becomes a huge issue after a few years together. ive seen it end marriages altogether. attraction dies, resentment builds. there really is no overcoming it once you hit that brick wall
Debate bro reply. Nazism is not an inherent personality trait. People are not born nazis. Vanishingly few people are explicitly nazis.
cope with the fact that i called you out on your “i could date a nazi if they were chill” bullshit
honestly you should be laughed off these forums, clown
But I would not date a nazi if they were chill
It’s hard to take someone out of a position of willing and conscious selfishness - which is what Nazism is.
At least Liberals and Conservatives lie to themselves that they want the best for other people. They have an unstable belief system that can change in a number of directions.
If someone is the kind of person who says, nah fuck other people I want more for myself at their expense - then that is a stable moral position. It is a value system that is expensive to reeducate people out of.
Then to think that you can shack up with such a person based on vibes and chemistry, and that what? Do you think you can fix them? You want to bring them into your life? Someone who will say “better dead than red”…
On another point. You brought up the idea of Nazism being intrinsic yourself. @laughinglion did no such thing.
You talk about debate-bro-ing, but you need to study logical fallacies and meditate on when you yourself engage in them.
In this case you committed the strawman fallacy.
I’m going to try to see how your mind could have made such a leap that seems to me to be very absurd.
Here is my best shot:
You took his statement about someone who is currently in the state of “Nazi” and his statement about the absurdity of mutating from that state to another, and you extrapolated backwards to the original state (birth). Hence, your counterargument is that people aren’t born Nazis.
His point was simply:
The claim that it is silly to think you can fix a Nazi, is different than the claim that Nazis have an immutable state of personality, which is itself different than the claim that when a particular state is immutable - that all prior states were also immutable.
its not strange, it seems like the best explanation as to why he has the need to mansplain about why women can’t find partners, for lack of comparatively sufficient virtue. if this guy were MAGA coded, and said exactly the same lines about women white liberal women selfishly only thinking about themselves, as an unsolicited explanation for why these kind of women are single/alone, no one would struggle to see it as a massive cope post, from a guy who was just rejected by exactly that kind of woman.
you’re missing the point. there are many, many men who have the same core values/moral stances as white liberal feminist women. whether or not that’s a necessary condition for partnership, it’s obviously not a sufficient condition.
apparently he did need to explain it because you still dont get it and no, it doesnt work from a maga perspective because the analysis is saying that democrats and republicans are the same except when it comes to abortion rights more or less. maga is absolutely never going to make that analysis in any way shape or form. hes not saying just liberal women think about themselves, hes saying all liberals think about themselves. it is an ideology of selfishness in general.
you say im missing the point but then you agree with me and the dude in the video. there are many women who have the same core values at the liberals. liberal values that are common to all liberals whether they are the flavor that openly hates minorities or the flavor that secretly hates them.
They don’t even have to hate minorities, often they fetishize them and mistake that festishization as understanding and respect (like trans chasers).
The key thing is selfishness, and it will come out in their behaviors, usually in not taking criticism that expands outside the immediate effects of their behavior, like buying lots of cloths, wearing them once and then returning all or most of them, or speaking disparagingly about fast food workers.
It comes out slowly though, over time.
liberal women have been complaining about conservative men on dating sites for over a decade now. they caught on to “apolitical” a while ago, not sure what the current meta is.
agreement isn’t the only thing but there is a floor for a lot of people.
Based on what right-wing YouTubers are doing, I’d think they’re not labelling themselves at all and avoiding buzzwords like “woke” entirely. Use vaguely anti-establishment phrases like hating corporations. Linking to studies/long form doghshit articles that aren’t good or don’t support their claims in a pseudo-intellectual way. Use IdPol for themselves by claiming POC, disability, LGBTQ status in some tangential way. Try to reframe their views of minorities and pseudoscience as “choice-based”/“tye right to choose” etc.
The current meta is not using dating sites.
that’s always been the meta
Thank god
i’m not sure what you’re taking issue with.
the author’s contention is that white liberal feminists are not finding partners because they are insufficiently radical in their politics (unlike the virtuous author). are these liberal women you are referring to complaining about men being too radical? is the issue for these women that they haven’t read Capital? are their potential beaus waiting for them, if only they joined a co-op or foods not bombs?
this is a fantasy. there are plenty of liberal men and women. the issue, for these women, and of reduced partnering generally, is not a lack of options, it’s not a lack of a pool of liberal men, if it is really an issue at all. the people not partnering, who are rationalizing their lack of partnering as moral deficiency in the other gender, are deluding themselves about the nature of changing gender roles and expectations, of structure issues defining the dating market, and, mostly, their own attraction and expectations.
liberal women are wrong qua being liberal, and only in the domain of this moral stance. they aren’t wrong because this stance substantially reducing the number of potential life partners they could match with, or not sleeping with the author.