De Telegraaf is considered to be the least reliable source of information from all major news outlets in the Netherlands. (https://www.bnnvara.nl/joop/artikelen/nos-en-nrc-zijn-betrouwbaar-geenstijl-en-telegraaf-niet). This is my experience with them as well. Without getting into the content of what is said here, I think it is a good idea to base your opinion on information from other, more reliable sources than this one.
yeah if only there was other collaborating evidence for the fact that Ukraine is a fascist regime…
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
please note that the source here (telegraaf) is a nazi newspaper that was banned after ww2 (sadly temporarily) so its extra surprising that they report this, maybe its nothing but maybe this could be significant, could it be that even european nazi’s are giving up on ukraine? or maybe they still think they can get russia as an ally in the coming war with china or something?
Has it got any connection to the Telegraph?
I’ve been thinking why haven’t they reformed their military, keeping the fascists around doesn’t help them win, if they reformed the battalion under the name of “Defenders of Democracy” or something like that, make the logo stars and stripes themed, libs would absolutely have loved that. They could have replaced Lenin statues with statues of liberty, of freedom. They obviously know it would have been bette PR, there’s no way they are not aware of it.
But if they did that people would focus on what they’re doing and not what the logos are. If you keep the battalion around and if you let them have their skulls and salutes that creates controversy, a distraction to hide behind. They want to make the people criticizing them appear silly. There’s a war going on, people are dying and we’re here discussing what the design of the uniforms should be. Liberals see this and think it’s absurd.
The Nazis are the army. If they reformed them out of it, the entire thing ceases to exist. They need the Nazis because they are the enforcers of the regime, they are the internal police keeping dissent in check, they are the only ones motivated to keep the war going at all costs and the only ones keeping the rest of the mobilized cannon fodder in line. They are the linchpin of the whole Maidan project.
Libs very clearly don’t care that Ukraine is run by fascists. They don’t need to even bother pretending because the media in the west simply looks the other way.
Yeah they don’t care about it, but they do care about social justice, that’s the one thing they have. That’s what the liberal anti-fascists are all about.
Ukraine is not any good, that isn’t any secret, pretty much all the liberal Ukrainians I’ve met complain about me about how dogshit their country is, but they like how it’s better here and in their eyes Russia is fighting against that, they don’t like that, they want Ukraine to be more like here.
A lot of these people justify support for Ukraine because they are treated better in their country than either Russia or Ukraine, but if Ukraine wants to be more like their country and Russia is fighting against that, it should be fairly obvious why liberals would pick that side.
Or should I say used to justify, because lately it’s been mostly doomerism and they’re slowly accepting that they got cucked by USA, they’re still not gonna loudly declare their support for a country that has passed laws against them.
Not to mention Kazakhstan recently joined in on passing anti-LGBTQ laws, really not making it easy for me to advocate for anti-imperialism when the anti-imperialists keep pushing to eradicate me. I might understand why it’s overall good that American empire is on the decline, but good luck trying to explain to a lib. All they hear is: “So this is why you should actually support a country that is fighting to make your life harder.” and immediately dismiss me.
Liberals care a lot about social justice, that’s the one thing they have. It’s quite a substantial crowd, you can see pro-LGBTQ+ groups all across the world support Ukraine, at least that was the case some months ago. They’re the pople I’m talking about who don’t like Azov and who think it’s silly to focus on their appearance, that they justify due to the war. But tbh idk what’s going on there, the country is so corrupt it could be anything, it’s a waste of time for me to guess. I just mentioned it cause I’ve seen similar tactics used by USA in the past, they’re really good at propaganda and controlling media narratives, that’s their favorite thing besides planning wars.
I think you’re making the mistake of confusing what liberals say they care about with what they actually care about. The only thing that matters to them is preserving western hegemony over the world, and they only care about social issues as far as they affect them personally.
Of course they don’t care about me, but the point I’ve been trying to make is that they’ve rigged the game and are trying to make us fight each other, by dividing us into separate camps.
When we fight over stuff like logo designs we’re distracted from the class struggle.
They also love to dehumanize groups of people and turn them into hiveminds. How they’ve manufactured Russophobia.
I’m well aware libs have 0 interest in human life that’s why I can totally see them dehumanizing Ukrainians too, likely because they want to start sending them to the meatgrinder back home from other countries, so they need something to manufacture consent for the kidnapping operations (they’ve been trialing in select areas, likely with the goal to expand). Azov serves perfectly to manufacture consent for an extended war. And it’s not like I have an issue with anyone critiquing them, to hell with them, simply trying to remind that we should never forget about class struggle.
Unfortunately we’ll have to build the 3rd camp all by ourselves. I’m well ware of that.
Yeah, I agree with all that. All I’m saying is that Ukraine is a perfect illustration how selectively libs apply their values. It’s an openly fascist state, they don’t try to hide it, and they don’t even see the need to do it. Yet, western libs conveniently look the other way because they don’t care one bit whether they stand with literal fascists, they see Russia as a threat to their ambitions, and Ukraine is just a tool to be used and discarded.
I think the focus has to be on educating people who are becoming disillusioned and falling out of liberal mainstream. As the material conditions in the west continue to decline, people are losing faith in the system, and they become open to new ideas. Unfortunately, as things stand, the right is doing a far better job recruiting than the left. For me, that’s the most worrying trend right now.
I don’t get it. Yes this planet has some messed up people on it, including even wannabe Nazis. But don’t they know better than to out themselves with that stupid salute? Couldn’t they blend in more without it? Sheesh.
One of the top government contractors, Elon Musk, has done the nazi salute in front of the whole world and nothing happened. Why would a bunch of cousin-fucking ukronazis have more decorum than him?
“Sierra Hotel” is an oft heard greeting in the bundeswehr. It’s nato alphabet, SH = “Sieg Heil”.
It’s to affirm group membership. Outing yourself as part of a group makes it harder to break with it. Be it communist, christian, nazi or whatever.
They are already a Banderite government that openly celebrates people who perpetrated part of the Holocaust. It’s a core part of their identity and by this point they are well aware that western press will simply ignore it because reporting on it would be “spreading Russian disinformation”.
That’s the whole thing with Ukraine being a fascist state, they’re not trying to hide it.
Why hide it, they control the government there
But don’t they know better than to out themselves with that stupid salute?
The scary part is that they do, it’s just that times have changed and they know it’s more accepted nowadays so they can be open about it in more contexts than before.
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