• built_on_hope [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      4 days ago

      Have you considered that people wear makeup because they want to / enjoy it, and not just to align with what others might see as attractive? When I wear makeup I like to experiment with different looks and take my time because it’s an act of self care and expression.

      Kind of disappointed in the number of comrades ITT who have the patriarchal “natural beauty is better” brainworms tbh

      • ProletarianDictator [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Yes, obviously. I do not expect women to do their entire routine to impress men whose sexual attention they are probably already not wanting more of. Makeup is fun for many people, just as any other art or form of self expression is.

        I prefer the look of less makeup and more casual dress in general. This does not have to be everyone’s preference, nor is mine superior, nor do I have any expectation of women to appease my preference. Should have been more explicit about that.

        Regardless, it is very clear that beauty standards have a pretty severe impact on people’s mental wellbeing. Not everyone doing extravagant makeup is doing so to cover insecurity. In fact, most probably aren’t, but capitalism is constantly pumping out media that drives these insecurities in order to push products.

        I briefly dated a girl who refused to be seen in public without makeup because she saw herself as ugly without it. She couldn’t even run errands without doing a whole ass routine. When I would try to reassure her that I thought she was beautiful without makeup, she would call me a liar. I couldn’t help but feel like our society has done her (and women and everyone at large) a terrible disservice.

        Just like for every alcoholic there are a half dozen people who responsibly enjoy drinking, a majority of people enjoy doing themselves up for reasons unrelated to the male gaze, while a subset of others see these unrealistic beauty standards and hate their appearance for seemingly not living up to it.

        The cosmetic industry has blood on its hands, and it isn’t simply benign fun for everyone.

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          Of course beauty standards can be incredibly damaging, but you or a subset of men or society saying “I prefer a different/less makeup based standard” isn’t helping to dissolve the damage, it just reinforces the existence of standards. It can also shame people, including unintentionally, for wearing makeup in the first place. It’s a lose/lose situation for us. We get told to look a certain way and then told “I prefer it actually when you look a different way”.

          The better way to dissolve the power of the standards set by our capitalist society and cosmetic industry is to reorient the conversation about beauty away from standards of any kind and towards personal expression.

    • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah I was going to say she looks heads and shoulders better with the natural fresh face on the right??? Also what do women need to disclose that if you ask like if they’re an undercover cop or something???

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        Right?

        CW: SV

        This fuck is trivializingremoved by comparing it to women looking slightly different when wearing makeup.

        “Anything that I don’t like isremoved, acktuually. Fair is fair.”

        Gives away how trivial he perceives real violations of consent to be, and how aggrieved he feels with the expectation that you have to ask for consent. He doesn’t see it as violence because he elevates something you can see with your eyes long before sex toremoved.

        Literal manchild.

    • Salah [ey/em]@hexbear.net
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      Hate to break it to you but women don’t wear makeup for you to find them attractive. It’s a form of self expression mostly understood by other people who wear it and rarely has anything to do with insecurities. Your comment is actually almost as annoying as the tweet in this post because it assumes anything women do is just to be attractive for men. That’s just your fantasy that you think is real due to growing up in a patriarchy.